01:35:33 PM May 29th 2011
Discussion from YKTTW (your issue may already be here) reply: Pulling this trope off is the reason why people have Ponytails, Braids, and stuff like that. But do examples of braids and ponytails count? If so, I know a few I could add. reply: Yeah, there's probably some relation between this, Slipknot Ponytail, and Girlish Pigtails. There's overlap between this one and the latter two, though I wouldn't go so far as to say that the latter are subtropes. reply: Any hairstyle works, as long as it fits being "simultaneously a short cut and a long cut." reply: Mullets? reply: Two points: 1: What exactly is the hairstyle? The description isn't clear, it just assumes you know what it means. Does this mean short bangs and framing of the face with long hair in the back? Are there any specific variations? Are male styles different from female styles? What about the overlap with Hime Cut? 2: Why is this important? Does having short hair in front and long hair in back signify something? Otherwise this is People Sit on Chairs. Does it maybe signify something like a dual personality? For example Ayeka being a Tsundere underneath the surface Yamato Nadeshiko? Although I'm not sure about that, I thought Ayeka had a Hime Cut to go with being a traditional princess type. If those points can be answered then I think there can be a trope here. Haqua, the Tsundere from The World God Only Knows might be an example, depending on how this trope develops. reply: It means short hair all around, except for the portion of hair that is significantly longer—long enough to be tied into a ponytail. I would generally disagree with it being "People sit on chairs"—there are many character-design specific tropes (like the ones mentioned), and this is the specific crossing of two. Since this is based in character design, I would have to suggest a quick google image search for visuals. The definitions really could stand some help, if anyone would oblige with more descriptive/helpful definitions. reply: This trope would be stronger if you could say more about what the style says for the character. Since long hair = beauty (especially in Japan, where I suspect this trope is most common) and short hair = practical, perhaps it is a compromise between the two, given to an Action Girl to make her a little more feminine?
- Yuna from Final Fantasy X-2 has relatively short hair, except for a very long braid from the back underside that nearly reaches her feet. How she grew that much hair in two years is an unexplained mystery.
- Sui-Fon (the captain of Squad 2) in Bleach.
- In Saint Beast, Luca's hair looks like a normal short cut from the front but has a very long wrapped ponytail at the back.
02:15:44 PM Jul 21st 2011
edited by MarqFJA
edited by MarqFJA
Regarding the stated possibility of characters having both Short Hair with Tail and Hime Cut... The definition Hime Cut explicitly conflicts with that statement: "In its pristine form, the straight black hair endemic to actual, real-life Japanese people is worn long, save for perfectly level bangs trimmed just above the upper eyelids, and side locks trimmed to roughly cheek and/or shoulder level." In contrast, Short Hair with Tail emphasizes being "quite obviously a short style all around with a noticeable tail". I.e. just having the bangs and sidelocks in Hime Cut-style does not an actual Hime Cut make.