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LordGro
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08:50:38 AM May 27th 2015
Pulled this. The example needs to be much clearer. Who is testing whom, and how? (Not correcting the typos for now, because they are just too hilarious.)
  • After doing a sercet super-job, The Sliver Age Supergirl, is gets a visit from Krypto. After a short race, she is meet by her cousin, the Sliver Age Superman, who banishes her from Earth. She gets a note to come back to Earth. She covers up her idenitiy — expect one reporter, Clark Kent! The reason was Kal-El was going to tell her his Sercet Identity to her — but he got outsmarted!
DanaO
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02:13:37 AM Nov 26th 2012
Subentry I'd considered adding to the Negima collection, except it's subtle enough I'm not sure it's really there or just my own perspective on the event - and if I feel the need to explain enough for a Wall of Text effect, that's not a good sign. My references here are the published English translation of the original manga, the copious notes accompanying that volume, and my limited knowledge of Jung's theory which seems to be being used.

  • Negi's later attempt to learn Magia Erebea is one subtle enough (especially as the manga cuts away from the significant part) that many readers won't catch it. At face value it's a Battle in the Center of the Mind where Negi faces a version of Evangeline (nonvisibly) younger and far more vicious; as usual her opponent is utterly outmatched, and this time around she's killing him... repeatedly... until either he wins or his mind simply gives up on continued existence. (His real body's also suffering fatal injuries, but that's just a side effect.) The catch, obliquely hinted at by Rakan, is that if Negi wins this fight and wakes up he fails, permanently sealing off the potential to use Magia Erebea. The essence to this art, and its potential to consume and use "the weapons of the enemy" is based in acceptance that you already are that enemy. The demon Negi's been trying to beat is actually what he's seeking to become, and his realization and acceptance of that was what ended the trial. This also finally explains the sheer sadism of Eva's training methods; being a Determinator kept him going, but only the beaten-in conviction that he couldn't hope to oppose her guaranteed he wouldn't do so successfully and wake up... still all human, probably happier, but having failed.
FireWalk
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11:26:50 AM May 22nd 2012
Cut this from The 2009 Star Trek film. It start with a "presumably", and then devolves into natter:
  • In the 2009 film, we see that Kirk was brought up on disciplinary charges for "cheating". Presumably Kirk was going to argue that a Starfleet Captain should be willing to do whatever it takes to protect the safety of his ship and crew... but the hearing is interrupted by the attack on Vulcan.
    • However, it loses much of its impressiveness here due to Fridge Logic. In the EU, Kirk's solution demonstrated his intent to earn a reputation that would make a Klingon fleet surrender, which impressed the examiners enough to let him pass. In the remake he just reprograms it so the Klingon shields fail, making him look like an entitled jackass who just expects everything to go easy for him.
    • Or, Kirk being the son of a man who sacrificed his own life to save his crew, including his son, realized the Kobayashi Maru scenario was completely pointless. There is presumably no genuine pass/fail grade on the scenario given its conditions, and cadets are apparently free to re-take the test as they see fit. There's absolutely no fear evoked by the scenario, neither of failure nor of death, and as such has no purpose. So, it's fitting to openly mock the scenario and its creator.
  • Or, for that matter, that he was simply going to have what happened in the unaltered timeline occur. He got an award for thinking outside the box!
    • He also got so many demerits for that single act that another toe out of line would have gotten him expelled.
Scalondragon
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07:26:00 PM Mar 11th 2012
Would the Origin Story for 'Yogi's Treasure Hunt' apply? In it they were looking for "the great american treasure." In that one there was supposedly a solid-gold bald eagle statuette that seemed like it... but at that moment Dick Dastardly and Yogi close in on it, a little girl is spotted carried off by a flood. Sacrificing the chance for the statuette in favor of saving the girl, Yogi and the others accept Dick's "victory."

But the President later tells the "Great American Treasure" was shown when Yogi and the others rescued the girl, and the statuette was a phony. Meaning Yogi and the others won the right to continue as treasure hunters with a special craft to them, the SS Jelly Roger.
Arivne
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10:03:21 PM Dec 19th 2011
edited by Arivne
Someone added the Scrubs example again, so I deleted it. It's still on Secret Test.

Moved the Men In Black example to Secret Test where it belongs.
Arivne
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02:08:37 AM Jun 13th 2011
edited by Arivne
Moved the following examples to Secret Test, since they don't involve a test/challenge the testee knows they're undergoing.

Commercials: A guy is offered sex by his fiancee's sister.

Fairy Tales: The Traveler

Literature: Lords of the Bow, Hand of Thrawn, Lord of the Clans, The Confidence Man, "Profession"

Live-Action TV: Scrubs, The Twilight Zone episode "Valley of the Shadow", Firefly episode "Ariel.", The Wire

Mythology: Hindu epic Mahabharata, Swedish folk tale Which Is Which?, Iliad

Theater: Macbeth, Rossini's opera La Cenerentola

Video Games: Baldur's Gate 2, Dark Cloud 2

Web Comics: Girl Genius, College Roomies from Hell!!!, Misfile, Dominic Deegan, No Rest For the Wicked, General Protection Fault, MegaTokyo

Western Animation: American Dad!, Recess

Real Life: Van Halen, Henry Ford, condom joke, Zhao Gao, talking donkey joke, Honest Tea, honesty test
Arivne
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06:42:39 AM May 31st 2010
edited by Arivne
Moved the Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory examples to Secret Test, because (a) they don't know they're being tested and (b) they don't involve anyone being asked to do something unethical to succeed, both of which are required for this trope.

Also moved/deleted the Robert A. Heinlein examples, since they're either (a) already on another, more appropriate page or (b) don't fit the trope description either.
Dalek
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02:56:29 PM Mar 13th 2010
Some people have "click here to see spoiler" do-dads on the entries. That's just not how Tv Tropes opperates good sir or madam. Does anyone object before I assimilate the entries?
Zeke
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02:53:17 PM Mar 10th 2010
A troper recently went through and got rid of entries that were just secret tests, not tests of character. That's a good idea, but he was a bit overzealous. I can't speak for the other series with deleted entries, but the Naruto examples are definitely tests of character — they just got bogged down in natter about what else was being tested. This is why it's a bad idea to chop entries about things you haven't actually seen, at least without going through talk. Someone familiar with the other series (One Piece, for instance) should check the edit history.
Azzizzi
02:50:52 PM Mar 11th 2011
There seem to be a lot of new entries that are secret tests of abilities rather than secret tests of character, too. They're good examples, but where should they go?
Zeke
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06:24:21 PM Mar 7th 2010
Janitor seems to have nuked the whole Real Life section. I think that's serious overkill, especially since several of the fictional examples refer to the Marine legend. Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of Real Life sections on this wiki that should be removed — mostly on negative tropes, where they attract politics-baiting and other trollery. But the one on this page just needs a little tidying up, so I've put it back. Let's debate any further removals here.

(I bet by doing this I passed Janitor's secret test!)
Gojirob
06:54:05 PM Oct 3rd 2014
My favorite will always be in a Starfleet Academy novel wherein young Worf's adoptive brother goes ape**** when the suddenly-scary-routine-mission turns out to be one of these. To my mind, these tests are like pranks : You can say till the end of time how it can help the target, but it always seems to be chiefly for the amusement of the one pulling it.
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