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newtonthenewt
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11:40:29 PM Dec 9th 2010
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Should music even be included on this page? Second person narration is much more common in music...
DevilsAdvocate
03:01:01 PM Jan 27th 2011
Actually, I'd say it's much less common in music, and many if not all of the music examples currently listed don't use this trope. The key word being narration. Sure, second person in and of itself is common in music. But it's only second person narration if "you" refers to the character who is singing. In songs such as "You're So Vain" and "You're So Gay" and probably many if not all of the other examples under music, the "you" is the character being sung to, not the character who is singing, and thus, fails to qualify as second person narration. The trope is not merely any work that uses second person at any point.
DevilsAdvocate
05:14:09 AM Jan 28th 2011
In fact, I'd say that, with very very few exceptions, any song whose lyrics include both first-person and second-person pronouns ("You're so vain, I bet you think this song is about you," "You are so beautiful to me," "You say goodbye, and I say hello," etc., ad infinitum) is not second-person narration, as it's generally reasonable to infer that "I" is the character singing and "you" are the character being sung to.

Even in songs that use second-person pronouns and do not use any first-person pronouns, they still have to be evaluated on a case-by-case basis to determine whether "you" are the singer or the "singee." Only the former would be second-person narration.
DevilsAdvocate
10:33:25 PM Feb 8th 2011
Of the songs currently listed in the "music" section, I'd say only "Creepy Doll," "Ballad of a Thin Man," the third part of "Disgustipated," and "Fifteen" qualify as second person narration. The others may use second person pronouns a lot but that doesn't make it second person narration.
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