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TrulyParanoid
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03:47:42 PM Nov 14th 2013
Maybe I missed the memo, but why are the biblical Satan and Lucifer now the same page (character?) rather than separate pages?
IndirectActiveTransport
10:44:23 AM Mar 24th 2014
Who knows? This page shouldn't have even been launched since it did not have five hats and hardly any discussion.
EricS1965
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06:17:19 AM May 29th 2011
I've been researching this for a few years now and suddenly the answer popped into my mind full-blown. According to Jews tha facts are: There are three levels of Heaven - the air, outer space and God's throne room. God is alone in his heaven, the Angels are in outer space and the Demons have the run of the air. As . the bible puts it "Satan is the prince of the power of the air". The Antichrist is a term for "Those who worshiped among us and left the church and are now against us. Even now there are many Antichrists." Anybody who is "against Christ" is an Antichrist. Think Un American. The image given in the book of Revelations is NOT the Antichrist. It is stated as the beast, given power by the dragon (satan) for a short time. Hell is described in tow ways - by popular images and prophetic imagery. Popular images involve fire, rotting flesh and the stench of death "brimstone" or sulphuric fumes. The prophetic images are of darkness and isolation - solitary confinement in total sensory deprivation WITHOUT the hallucinations our human brains provide. But only able to remember the painful memories of our misdeeds and how wrong they were. It then says that Hell and Death will be burned up in the lake of fire and their occupants will be judged by their actions on earth. Not to see if they were bad, but to see just how badly they will be punished for all eternity. The judgment of good/evil is made earlier and they are simply TOLD if they passed or not before going to hell. No arguments or reprieves. For the rest of time the good will be in heaven - not just a garden, but a city made of the only non-rusting metal ever. Gold. the tree of eternal life (garden of Eden) came from here and forests of them grow here by a river that inspired the "fountain of youth" myth. One drink and you're immortal. You work in perfect jobs tailored to you, rest, eat it even mentions that there will be a party first. "the marriage supper of the lamb" IE Jesus. It will last a millenium. The Christian God typifies himself as a God who loves all aspects of life - even parties.

Iqbal
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05:05:30 PM Dec 20th 2010
The Devil Man Satan would be a perfect image for this trope
RainbowSerpent
09:13:06 PM Dec 11th 2014
edited by 173.30.245.28
I disagree, it's not accurate.

http://imgur.com/cQzlWT0 Would be a more perfect image, considering that's what he actually looks like.
SeptimusHeap
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12:33:04 AM Dec 12th 2014
The current image is fine. Other images can go into ImageLinks.Satan.
93.173.156.44
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02:39:40 AM Jun 7th 2010
"No matter what version of Satan is employed, he is usually a shapechanger, capable of taking any form physical or not that he cares to. In human form, he is often shown with red or blond hair. However, for some reason the Jewish Satan figure (and all other Jewish devils) cannot conceal the appearance of his feet: that of goose-claws, or a cloven hoof. This is merely an extension of his role as the Father of Lies, though all things that hide or distort the truth are in his province, making him also the master of deception and illusion. Consequently, his most common incarnations are wheeler-dealers, bargainers, and con-men."

The middle sentence about the Jewish Satan is wrong. In Judaism, Satan has nothing whatsoever to do with devils. They may have some parallels in their purposes but have nothing else in common - especially not "species" (i.e., the Satan doesn't have strange feet neither in his angelic nor in his Evil Inclination incarnation). Normally I'd remove the sentence entirely on my own and put this explanation in the "explain why" box, but in this case the sentence is being used as a transition and can't be so neatly excised.
MercuryInRetrograde
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09:46:31 PM Jun 6th 2010
Wow, this is a really well written article for tv tropes. Bravo to the writer.
Unicorn
03:18:43 AM Jun 10th 2011
Well except that they claim the Jewish/Hebrew shaitan, which means 'accuser' is Islamic and that the Satan is hebrew when in reality it comes from the Greek word for adversary NOT the hebrew one.Also, outside of philosphy, the jewish Shaitan isn't an evil impulse, he's a servant of the lord(see Job).

User/Weegee
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06:55:28 AM Mar 6th 2010
I can't believe no one listed The Bible as the Trope Namer. I accidentally locked this Page while logging in, so i'll have to wait.
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