Main Royals Who Actually Do Something Discussion

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09:13:12 AM Aug 22nd 2014
It may be offensive to some people, listing the Bible under 'real-life'. I'm not going to change this myself, because I'm fairly new and don't know if I should, I'd just like to bring it up. Perhaps put it under 'literature'?
09:16:45 AM Aug 22nd 2014
It's against wiki policy too - a book, even The Bible, is a work, and it is put in Literature elsewhere on the wiki too. So yeah, move it.
05:59:01 PM Dec 27th 2014
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Why not Mythology, Religion and Folklore. Religion at least will remain respectable term for the foreseeable future.
02:14:02 AM Dec 28th 2014
These can get their own folder, if that is what you were asking about.
07:05:40 PM Dec 6th 2012
edited by Lokimaros
The paragraph about Willem Alexander, Prince of Orange, is unnecessarily negative about him, the bit about his being pushed over the finish line of the 11 city ice tour is rather gratuitous (after 200 km skating!), and the entry completely ignores other stuff he's done, like flying planes for the African Medical Research and Education Foundation (AMREF) in Kenya, and in 1991 he spent a month flying for the Kenya Wildlife Service. His dedication and work as an honorary member of the World Commission on Water for the 21st century and as a patron of the Global Water Partnership. His term on the IOC. And the fact, that due to his position, a normal job like his brothers have is denied him. Additionally, the comment about his brother earning money "for the family" is equally gratuitous, as far as I can tell, It reeks of envy of "those rich bastards" or something like that.
10:12:59 AM Dec 28th 2010
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Shouldn't this be called "Noblesse Oblige"? Isn't that the real world term for it?
12:59:38 PM Dec 28th 2010
This is a lot broader.
05:40:56 PM Feb 13th 2011
Noblesse Oblige is the real-world issue that someone of noble origins (or, in the US anyone of means) is obligated by their stature to contribute to the community. Some agree and develop philanthropic or political interests. Some don't and happily party all the time.

This is about whether a royal or a person in authority, is actually seen in a fictional story conducting affairs of state (i.e. fulfilling the responsibilities of his position) or if he just sits around posing with the crown.
01:29:31 AM Jul 12th 2010
Vifetoile: Cut all these examples from Western Animation:

  • Aladdin (while only a prince by virtue of a wish) survives numerous deathtraps and manages to outsmart his Big Bad.
    • Aladdin is a prince though, as the third movie reveals Aladdin is techincally the Prince of Thieves.
  • Natter, and as of his actions he is not a prince yet. And as he didn't know that he was the Prince of Thieves, he is disqualified for this trope.
    • While not exactly royal, Shang is a freaking general.
  • Not royal. That should have stopped you there.
    • Belle, though not technically a princess, tries to talk an angry mob out of storming her beloved's castle and killing him.
  • See above.
    • Jasmine snogs Jafar to give Aladdin a chance to steal back the lamp and tries to help him in battle.
  • That's another trope altogether.
    • Mulan goes to battle, drowns almost all of the Hun army in snow, and singlehandedly hatches a successful plan to save the Emperor, all just to keep her dad safe.
      • Technically, Mulan is not a member of any royalty directly related to the Emperor of China.
        • True, though she does marry Shang in the sequel. Technically still not royalty, but she'd be the wife of a very high ranking general.
  • Royals who don't do anything. Generals and soldiers by definition do stuff.
    • Again, though a princess through marriage at the end of the movie, Tiana basically spends all of The Princess and the Frog keeping Naveen out of trouble and getting them turned back into humans.
      • After the second wedding they both play this straight, with Tiana running the restaurant of her dreams and Naveen alternatining between waiting tables and performing live music.
  • This one I left, but amended, because just being in a Disney movie does not automatically qualify you for royalty.

09:11:30 PM Nov 21st 2010
edited by Uriel238
Is Royals Who Actually Do Something about Feudal lords actually serving military time, or is this about any regent (sovereign monarch or otherwise) actually conducting affairs of state (again military or otherwise)? As opposed to the so many cases in which they just hang out on the throne and play with their orbs and scepters (amusing Freudian pun acknowledged but not intended)?

Villainous examples:

Mayer Robert Terwilliger in Sideshow Bob Roberts is seen tending to Springfield civics, at very least, administering the construction of the Matlock Expressway.

Emperor Palpatine, when he's not cackling and dismissing Vader, seems to have a couple of dignitaries who show him things that need signing. Whether he's subsidizing vapor farmers, increasing anti-piracy patrols or merely ordering lunch is never revealed in film, but obviously he's doing something authoritarian that is more than posing.

Subversion:Commodus Antoninus is shown to attempt to manage affairs of state not long after his ascension to the Roman rulership, but fails to get into it. After being embarrassed on the floor by Gracchus, he starts seeking to disband the Senate, and has no other plans to do anything except throw the biggest party ever, using state reserves.

Counterexample: General Zod and his crew, after taking over the world by beating up anyone who disagreed with him. Once opposing voices were silenced, he hung out in the wreckage of the White House and didn't even pester the cleaning crews to build him a tribute out of the ruins.
12:52:43 PM Jan 7th 2011
This looks like one about amending the page, so... Why hasn't Magic Kingdom of Landover been mentioned in the Literature section? I mean, yes, he purchases the crown/medallion at first, but then goes through five books to actually get recognized as King, and it's implied that he's STILL running around and making sure everything is all alright. Plus, in Princess of Landover, Misty pretty much fixes up the Library and closes the portal to Abbadon by herself.

If I'm wrong, I beg pardon, and if someone could direct me to the place I need to go for the recommended edit, I'd appreciate it.
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