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johnnye
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03:55:08 PM Feb 3rd 2014
edited by 85.210.123.49
So, is this only for Battle Cries? I'm thinking of the fact that in Firefly, the ship Serenity is so-named in remembrance of a crucial battle in which the rebellion was crushed, as a symbol of its rebel captain's continuing resistance to the Alliance.
JoveHack
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04:10:22 PM Mar 13th 2013
edited by JoveHack
Lusitania discussion/natter moved here. Please keep the discussion here. I added this note: "There was considerable controversy about whether her sinking was a justified attack on a military vessel, but the battlecry raised patriotic fervor that made the discussion moot. "

  • "Remember the Lusitania!" - the sinking of the British ocean liner (auxiliary cruiser) in 1915 helped turn world opinion against Germany in World War I. There was considerable controversy about whether her sinking was a justified attack on a military vessel, but the battlecry raised patriotic fervor that made the discussion moot.
    • As with the Maine example above, some historians think the Lusitania was either carrying weapons or was pretty much a bait (either by Great Britain or America) to get American citizens to support American participation in the war.
      • She sailed into a declared war zone. She was also officially listed as an Armed Merchant Cruiser.
      • She was also carrying guncotton (artillery shell propellant) and fuses for artillery shells, along with 4,992 shrapnel shells.
        • The claims she was carrying contraband have never been proven. She was carrying ammunition for rifles, but at the time this wasn't considered contraband and it was common practice to ship ammo on commercial shipping.
      • The German government put up an add in the biggest newspapers to NOT board a British ship sailing into a warzone, since German u-boats might sink it. IF they board it, they do so at their own risk, and have been warned. Still it was all germany's fault, somehow.
      • That's like a schoolyard bully justifying an assault because the victim didn't give into his threats.
      • Remember that the Germans made a point of only sinking merchant ships.
        • The Germans sent a single submarine through a narrow, shallow access canal into a British naval harbor and sank the British battleship Royal Oak at anchor. The submarine got away unscathed through the limited escape route. In short, the Germans sank British naval ships whenever they could, and went out of their way to find them.
kairu
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12:12:18 PM Dec 23rd 2010
What the.. is this actually what that means? Every time I've EVER heard someone say remember the Alamo / remember 911, etc, it just means 'remember the tragedy because bawwww' in the same way people are like 'remember the holocaust' and such. Not as a motivator for revenge..
Inferno232
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07:28:23 PM Aug 8th 2010
How the heck is this a Discredited Trope?! Everytime it's done it makes for a Crowning Moment of Awesome! I thought 'Discredited' meant that not only it was old but that it is no longer effective.
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