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Bisected8 MOD Tief girl with eartude (Primordial Chaos)
Tief girl with eartude
Jul 16th 2021 at 11:01:13 AM •••

Fireblood removed the entry:

* ''Film/FirstDay'': Like her character Hannah, Evie [=MacDonald is a transgender girl.=]

With the reason: "Adding a link and deleting another that was wrong."

As far as I can tell, the entry is correct: There is a short film/TV Series about a transgender girl, played by an actual trans girl.

Any thoughts?

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Fireblood Since: Jan, 2001
Jul 16th 2021 at 12:02:03 PM •••

The link was incorrect as it's to First Day instead (which doesn't exist). First Day remains on the page, in the TV section. I added one or both, I can't remember.

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Bisected8 MOD (Primordial Chaos)
Jul 16th 2021 at 2:13:43 PM •••

Thanks for clarifying, I wasn't sure if you meant it was too close to a ZCE or what.

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Fireblood Since: Jan, 2001
Jul 17th 2021 at 1:23:03 PM •••

No problem, just fixing an error.

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Bisected8 MOD Tief girl with eartude (Primordial Chaos)
Tief girl with eartude
Sep 27th 2020 at 2:39:20 PM •••

What are the limits on this trope? Should it be an actor with any queer identity playing a character with any queer identity? Or do the identities have to match?

My main reason for asking this is the Crying Game example, since suggesting a gay man would have insight into playing a trans woman carries massive Unfortunate Implications, to me at least.

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Bisected8 MOD Tief girl with eartude (Primordial Chaos)
Tief girl with eartude
Oct 7th 2016 at 6:46:57 AM •••

"Mostly averted with transgender people: because of the relatively few out trans actors, most of these roles are played by Attractive Bent-Gender cisgendered actors."

I'm afraid I must take issue with this (I'd have brought it up in TLP before this launched, but I haven't been as active there lately and I missed this one).

Not only is the matter of non-trans actors being cast to portray transgender characters a Berserk Button for most of the community (especially when it's a Crosscast Role), but the argument that there aren't enough trans actors to do so is considered an extremely weak and offensive argument (indeed, one of the main complaints about such practises is that it takes a role away from trans actors and actresses who frequently have trouble finding work).

Not to mention, the use of Attractive Bent-Gender in this is kind of offensive as well.

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Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010
Oct 7th 2016 at 7:58:05 AM •••

I don't think that this is saying it's justified, just averted. And it's not wrong that there are relatively few trans actors, but it does make the fact they don't get trans roles all the more glaring.

It definitely should be mentioned rather than just glossed over.

EDIT: Actually, I take it back. I mentally changed a word there. I thought it said "Because out of the relatively few trans actors..." not "Because of the..." That's problematic. It's also incorrect grammatically, that should be a semi-colon (which is why I mentally added the word, the version I saw is at least grammatically correct).

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Bisected8 MOD (Primordial Chaos)
Oct 7th 2016 at 10:25:38 AM •••

Do you think this might work better as a substitute paragraph?:

Aversions are a very sensitive issue with transgender people; any cisgender actor playing a Cross-Cast Role for a trans character is likely to be criticised (as it conflates them, and by extension actual trans people, with crossdressing characters). Cisgender women playing trans women and cisgender men playing transmen tend to be better received (but may still be criticised for taking the role from the pool of out trans actorsnote ).

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Sixthhokage1 Since: Feb, 2013
Oct 7th 2016 at 12:27:47 PM •••

That works a hell of a lot better than the current wording.

Bisected8 MOD (Primordial Chaos)
Oct 7th 2016 at 1:31:56 PM •••

Added in then. I'm sure Wiki Magic can tweak it if needs be.

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thecouchwitch Since: Jan, 2015
Apr 21st 2020 at 10:37:27 AM •••

This needs a new name, the q-slur has been reclaimed by some people but it is extremely offensive to others.

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