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SeptimusHeap
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01:51:41 PM Feb 7th 2012
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wendygoerl
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12:53:46 PM Jun 9th 2011
I've been noticing a few things in the various Gundamverses, and I'm wondering if it's enough to qualify for a new sub trope. What does everybody think?

Chekov's Customization: If a newly-introduced item has distinctive charcteristics that seem to better fit someone other than the original recipient, it will somehow migrate to that person.

In Gundam Seed Destiny, Durandal originally offers Athrun the Gundam Legend, which bears a strong resemblence to Rau Le Creuset's Gundam Providence. After Athrun runs off, Legend ends up getting piloted by La Creuset's clone.

In Gundam Wing, Treize gives Heero the red Epyon, and a blue & white astrosuit. Meanwhile, Zechs, who's running around in a red astrosuit, gains custody of Wing Zero, which has a dominantly blue on white color scheme. Three guesses who the mecha end up with.
Kairu
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05:35:49 PM Nov 4th 2010
Okay, I get that 'what happened to the mouse' and 'aborted arc' are cases of the gun not being used, but I don't think either one applies to the following, and I'm kind of itching to mention it.. in DBZ, Goku realizes that Freezer can't sense ki. The others noticed it earlier, what with scouters and all, but Goku brings it up mentally during their fight.. then.. never utilizes it. No hiding in water or smoke, moving too quickly to be seen, or anything that might give him an advantage.
Kairu
05:17:39 PM Nov 10th 2010
Neeevermind, he did use a distraction. How I forgot that, I have no idea. BUT STILL the question of what that trope WOULD be called is.. uh.. valid..
MrDeath
09:43:49 AM Nov 11th 2010
You know, I was just watching it last night, and I remembered I saw this question asked somewhere, but couldn't find it again.

As to what it would be called...Hm, I've no idea.
Quietkitsune
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04:58:07 PM Oct 31st 2010
The Bond gadgets fit this to a T, but I always took Q's asking him to try and bring some of the stuff back as stemming from 007's consistently losing and/ or destroying it all. Thoughts?
mjl1966
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03:42:44 PM Oct 29th 2010
This all sounds like setup and payoff to me. What's the difference?
Johann610
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12:47:12 PM Sep 24th 2010
Category: Literature In Anthony Bourdain's "Bone in the Throat," the hero mentions his distaste for fried calamari on page 9. By page 231, he is forced to make it, and decided he'd rather "...[spoiler]rat my uncle out [/spoiler] over a plate of f***in' squid." Does this count? He mentions it again in "Kitchen Confidential" (the book) when he describes his brief stint as executive chef at an upscale Italian restaurant.
71.118.246.136
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03:47:32 AM Aug 24th 2010
edited by loracarol
Something I've been curious about regarding this article: I had learned about Chekhov's Gun in a (stage) theater class, which is exactly as the quote says at the top. However, I took some film classes later on and saw the pair of terms "plant" and "payoff." The word "plant" is used to refer to the object or detail to be used, with "payoff" being the plot point where said plant is used.

The most notable case of these terms is in Robert McKee's "Story," which I believe is a Bible of sorts for storytellers.

And as an example—in WALL•E, a plant would be a literal plant that WALL•E finds in the boot. The payoff is EVE scanning the sapling and taking it back to the Axiom.

Is there a difference between a Chekhov's Gun and a plant? Is a plant and its payoff two separate parts of a Chekhov's Gun? Or is this what you guys at TV Tropes refer to all instances of an object or detail introduced at one point in a story and used later?

(I know this is the opposite of a reliable scholarly source. I'm just wondering how this particular site uses the terms.)
SomeGuy
04:44:47 PM Sep 24th 2010
Chekhov's Gun is more like both the plant and the pay-off localized in the same term. It's the plant in that the object is initially identified and it's the pay-off in that eventually it becomes the central important object in the drama.

In theater terms it doesn't surprise me that "plant" and "pay-off" are used, because those are distinct dramatic devices each warranting different concern from dramatis personae. Chekhov's Gun is more of an analytical term because, from the audience's perspective, they represent the same metaphorical device.
71.108.113.226
01:36:35 AM Oct 19th 2010
Thank you for answering. (For the record, the stage theater class was the one that taught about Chekhov's Gun, and the film classes talked about plants and payoffs.)

I get it now; plants and payoffs are terms for people who write stories, and Chekhov's Gun is a term used by the audience for that story.
MrSiegal
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06:44:33 PM Aug 5th 2010
NPR just mentioned this article, guys and gals. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128986554
blackcat
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07:05:00 PM Aug 5th 2010
Nice!
189.62.8.144
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10:57:30 PM May 8th 2010
edited by 189.62.8.144
What about the One Ring from The Lord of the Rings? When it first appears, in The Hobbit, it's just an enchanted ring of invisibility (although - correct me if I'm mistaken- I think Gandalf expressed some concerns about it). Then, in The Lord of the Rings, it is revealed that the One Ring is key to the battle for the Middle-Earth, capable of destroying or giving ultimate power to the Big Bad Sauron.

=====EDIT: My mistake. I was looking for it under "Literature", instead of "Film".
93.160.177.248
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11:24:20 AM Mar 10th 2010
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On the Bleach manga/anime example: wonderweiss was the only modified hollow, not the only shinigamified one. Nnoitra talks with Nell about how he is grateful to aizen for granting him more power.
155.201.35.53
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08:56:31 PM Mar 8th 2010
I can't seem to get the hang of adding entries... but if someone agrees that knows what they're doing:

Chekov's gun becomes a Chekhov's Gun in the Star Trek novel "The Eugenics Wars" by Greg Cox. In Star Trek IV, the crew goes back to 1986 and in one scene, Chekov tosses a nonfunctioning phaser to a US Navy officer while making an escape. In Cox's book, the phaser is studied carefully and they are perplexed at how Ferengi technology seems to have entered a decline. (link to Roswell That Ends Well for a hint). Roberta Lincoln later confiscates the phaser and brings it to Gary Seven's office for safekeeping.
155.201.35.53
08:57:36 PM Mar 8th 2010
edited by 155.201.35.53
—possible link to Continuity Porn for the Roberta Lincoln part. Or perhaps "Whatever Happened To...".

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