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Kilyle
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12:36:01 AM Mar 4th 2010
Kilyle: Not sure which trope to put this under, but when a certain enemy attacks the team, Luna shouts out "He knows that the Princess is probably Sailor V!" Well, yeah, even if he didn't know it before you said that....
70.144.0.154
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01:46:24 PM Mar 13th 2010
The Precision F Strikes really doesn't belong here. This was in the era when TV-Nihon liked through in "Fuck" for the sake of it. So really, if we're going to have irt here, may as well add it to every other show they subbed in that time...

And for the sake of it, the line could have easily translated to "Don't mess with me!" or something along those lines.
Kilyle
09:27:53 AM Mar 17th 2010
I think it's worth leaving in because the show never made it to the U.S., so this sub is the only way Americans experience it - and seeing the F-word in what's apparently a kiddie show (well, pre-teen at least) is going to be disconcerting, to say the least. So it's either keep that trope, or add a little warning to the end of the show's description itself.

And yeah, I'm troubled by gratuitous swearing in subtitles. I once tried to introduce a classmate to The Slayers, only to have her so turned off by the subtitles (which, though fairly mild, were enough to be offensive to her) that we ended up turning it off before the end of the first episode. It was my first realization of the gulf between the actual dialogue (which could get rude but wasn't swearing) and the way the subtitlers had chosen to translate it.
Kilyle
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09:31:39 AM Mar 17th 2010
Do we have a trope for disconcerting scene switches in which you're like, "Hey, how did that last scene end? I'd really, really like to know!" We have some trope around for missed opportunities in general, but I'm not sure it's the same thing.

In this show, often enough to be annoying, they'll give a major revelation, such as the identity of a character, and then cut to the team doing something that seems like it ought to have been included in a continuation of that scene, only for some reason they moved to a different area. And sometimes a character (such as, often, Tuxedo Kamen) has mysteriously vanished meanwhile, so that we don't get to see the reaction he would've had to the events.

Honestly, it almost feels like those tropes about "let's make him leave the room so we don't have to deal with his reaction" only they're doing it off screen.
Kilyle
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09:56:52 AM Mar 17th 2010
Holy cow... I was just going over the colors of the Shitennou (white, red, yellow, and black), and I realized: They're the important colors in Alchemy.

John Granger's book The Hidden Key to Harry Potter goes into this in some detail. Black for the base material, white for the refined; red and yellow are two of the ingredients used to transform black on its road to white. I forget what they represented (sulfur and something? white was also quicksilver, or mercury), but I'm pretty sure I got the right colors there.

You don't suppose this was a deliberate motif used by the makers of this show, do you? I mean, it's even a little clearer if you consider personalities: Zoicite the first to embrace his memories, Kunzite to reject them utterly; Nephrite hot-blooded and unstable... wish I could recall the attributes for the yellow. Hmm.
BritBllt
09:31:08 PM Jul 2nd 2010
edited by BritBllt
Sorry about the late, late reply. =/ I dunno, it seems more like their colors would be based on some sort of Buddhist lore (like their names) rather than Western alchemy, but it's possible. The Moon Kingdom does seem take its cues from medieval European imagery, so an alchemy reference might be possible.

According to The Other Wiki, the Four Heavenly Kings have four colors associated with them: red, yellow, white and blue. At a glance, that'd seem to be Nephrite, Jadeite, Zoisite and... Kunzite as blue? But then, their names suggest a different set of colors than their hair and clothing, so you never know.
BritBllt
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02:18:49 PM Apr 25th 2010
Removing this bit of natter...

  • Not true. She's only presented as an adult in the English dub (where she's given a very British nanny-esque voice) The manga's creator described her as being one year younger than Usagi when in human form. She's just more mature.
  • Well, she at least looked like an adult/teen in the anime and manga, not a 10 year old.

While Luna's dub voice and characterization is lots more mature than her Japanese voice, her human manga form looks like an adult, and she does assume the adult, mentor role of the group. Besides, she's Really Seven Hundred Years Old - the senshi got reincarnated while she "took the long way" from past to present, so even if she was younger than Serenity, in the present day she's way older than Usagi.
BritBllt
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09:17:04 PM Jul 2nd 2010
edited by BritBllt
Removing these two entries for now...

I'm not really seeing it. Mio is just one of the six major Dark Kingdom villains, and five of them look completely Japanese; there aren't any implications or targeting going on with her character that don't also apply to the rest of the villains, and the story never presents Mio herself as being a foreigner. And though the senshi don't have a Token Minority on their side, Caucasian actors do serve in minor, benevolent roles, such as the priest at Rei's school or the American doctor Ami was working for in the epilogue (or that hilariously non-British-sounding voice that invited Mamoru to breakfast when he was living in England, but that's another story...).
74.47.187.42
02:28:12 PM Jul 4th 2010
It's never really mentioned, but the actress is quite obviously of mixed race. Even if it's unintentional, the fact that there are no counterexamples implies that people who look differently than you are evil and want to destroy you. Let's just say that this show ain't exactly doing much to help Japan's racism and xenophobia.

It probably belongs under Unfortunate Implications.
BritBllt
04:57:19 PM Jul 4th 2010
edited by BritBllt
But that's like saying that if there's one half-Japanese villain on an American team of supervillains who are otherwise all Caucasian, then that's Unfortunate Implications. Mio isn't any worse than the other villains, she just happens to be not entirely Japanese. And as said, there are some minor non-Japanese characters, and they're nice people. Like Hank Hill said, "what kind of country is this where I can only hate a man evil magical-girl villainess if he's white she's Japanese?" :)
74.47.187.42
10:05:14 PM Jul 11th 2010
It's Unfortunate Implications because the one major foreign character you actually do have is a villain. The target audience has already seen enough members of their own race to form opinions of them, but when the only member of a minority is a villain, then there's a greater likelihood of the audience subconsciously linking the minority race to evilness, creating the implication that foreign = bad.

The other non-Japanese characters don't count, because they weren't in there for more than maybe a few seconds.

Besides, Evil Foreigner is already filed under Unfortunate Implications.
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