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07:46:33 PM May 19th 2015
Regarding this entry:

"The death of singer Cass Elliot from the Mamas and the Papas also factors into this. After collapsing from a heart attack, investigators noted that a sandwich was found in her room and, despite a post-mortem showing otherwise, parodies regarding her weight and the poor wording of the attending physician mean it's still widely believed that she choked to death on a sandwich simply because it's considered more humorous. In addition, it's usually noted to be a ham sandwich Mama Cass allegedly choked to death on. Geddit, "ham" = "fat pig". A cruel joke related to her weight. Hurhurhur."

This doesn't seem like an appropriate trope entry - blaming the death on a sandwich isn't an extreme parody of anything, but rather a cruel rumor. Rumors getting mistaken for reality doesn't belong on this page.
12:11:12 PM May 20th 2015
Seems about right. I zapped the example.
09:54:24 PM Apr 30th 2015
I think this should be a sub trope of Reality Is Unrealistic
10:13:25 PM Apr 30th 2015
Maybe. It seems to me so, certainly.
03:34:15 PM Aug 9th 2014
The current trope image is a little confusing. Consider changing the image to this, which is a lot clearer and funnier.
02:14:47 AM Aug 10th 2014
Clearer maybe, but it's also an Image Macro, which isn't allowed as an image.
02:55:24 AM Jun 21st 2014
From what I've heard, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles could be an example of Poe's Law; it (allegedly) started as a parody of the superhero comic genre and its inherent silliness, but then went mainstream and turned into the very thing it was parodying.

If a cite can be found for this, perhaps it should be added.
11:41:09 PM Jul 21st 2013
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"Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is utterly impossible to parody a Creationist in such a way that someone won't mistake it for the genuine article."-I'm a real Creationist who's been accused of being a Parody. But I feel the same can be said of Evolutionists from our POV. To me what they genuinely believe is genuinely funny.

The Conservopedia Poe's Law page may well be an example of Strawman Has a Point, I'm sure arguing the Helocentric model before and contemporary with Galileo may well have made some people think what Poe thought, or would have if there where internet message boards back then.

I'd like to know the basis for saying that Black Cats and 13 being unlucky are Christian superstitions in origin? Cause I'm pretty sure Black Cats go back to Pre-Christian Paganism.
05:22:44 PM Oct 18th 2013
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and 13 is more universal as well, I think I read somewhere that it's bad luck in Japan because their words for 13 and death sound similar.
12:43:21 PM Jun 1st 2012
03:41:06 PM May 17th 2012
There seem to be two separate things being discussed here: 1) "I mistook a parody of something for the real thing because the real thing is so egregious"; 2) "People I don't like mistook a parody for the real thing because they're so stupid." #2 would actually be something like "Misaimed Fandom".

One of the measures for Acceptable vs Unacceptable Targets—can Poe's Law be invoked? Is claiming "Well, they're *really* like that!" acceptable or not?
09:06:45 PM Dec 8th 2011
I really feel we should change the page quote. Isn't this trope supposed to be about how anybody can mistake an extreme view of whatever or a parody of such a view for one or the other, given how we, as socieity are exposed to them? Instead the quote implies that anyone who doesn't know if it's a parody or not is a "dumb motherfucker." Granted this is the case for some, but it seems to me, more often than not it's about things like someone who's never heard of before and then comes across this: This was the case for me, I had no idea this was a parody website until I read other people's comments, but I am certainly not a dumb motherfucker. When people like Fred Phelps are out there can you blame me for thinking that it was serious at first?~~~~
03:25:33 PM May 17th 2012
Not dumb—biased.

If you see something and take it as proof of a despised group's hatefulness/stupidity/other negative trait; and then find out it wasn't a member of that group that said it, but someone trying to make that group look bad; and then you say, "Well, they're really like that, so it still counts as proof"—that's one of the basic memetic defenses for a bias. And it's one of the reasons smear campaigns work.
01:39:55 PM May 2nd 2011
There should be examples of instances considered to be parody by some but later taken seriously. Two examples: -Planned Parenthood ran an ad asking "When will they come to investigate your miscarriage?" I first saw this ad in a college textbook as an analysis of the Slippery Slope fallacy. Recently, a Republican legislator in the Midwest proposed a bill to do just that. -Dr Pepper ran an ad which promised a free bottle of Doctor Pepper if Guns'N Roses finally released "Chinese Democracy" in 2008. Axl Rose made a statement not long after saying that he indeed planned to do so.
11:16:35 PM Aug 6th 2011
That's not what this trope is about at all.
02:29:12 AM Sep 30th 2011
10:39:01 AM Aug 1st 2013
Calling the "Slippery Slope" a fallacy is absurd to me, all of Human history is the Slippery Slope argument playing itself out.
04:40:00 PM Mar 28th 2011
(On Human Odure, published under his pen name "Dr. Shit" is perhaps closer to literal than A Modest Proposal).

I can't find any reference to this text, anywhere.
12:04:57 PM Jan 21st 2011
Note on the Sokal paper: I have read (though it may have just been on The Other Wiki) that Sokal exposed his prank after Social Text accepted his paper, but before they published it.

They still published it!

What were they thinking?
04:40:49 PM Mar 28th 2011
Maybe they were being Po Mo?
10:56:08 AM Oct 19th 2010
What is this?

  • The infamous movie The Room, auteured by Tommy Wiseau, is so So Bad Its Horrible that it often provokes the reaction that it must be a Stealth Parody, because no movie actually that bad could ever possibly be made.
03:05:16 PM Jul 11th 2011
The kind of stuff I've been trying to expunge from the page.
02:28:18 AM Sep 30th 2011
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What you were... (gasp) It mocked Twilight fans?!
07:56:07 PM Oct 3rd 2011
^Are you talking about the above example, or something else?
04:24:50 PM Jul 29th 2010
Even atheism is not immune to this law.
04:33:19 AM May 23rd 2010
Reply to Blork from the archive: No, I understand perfectly well that Jack Chick was not meant as a parody, but it it\s still [[Narm funny]]. Only for a brief moment did I think it was a parody and only because it looked so much like "The lighter side of MAD". Every example of satire, sarcasm or parody I see on this trope however, are of this nature to me and I get this reaction for it when I'm not laughing.
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