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JonVonBass
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04:58:42 AM Jul 26th 2015
I think we should consider removing the Toy Story example since Buzz can't fly, only glide which is basically falling with style. Buzz can't gain altitude after taking off, at least not unassisted (as in, he doesn't have built in rockets or stuff like that).
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03:34:53 PM Mar 17th 2015
"THIS IS NOT WAR! THIS IS PEST CON-TROL!" is not an example of this trope, as war and pest control are not synonymous.
HeroicJay
03:43:28 PM Mar 17th 2015
I'd say they're functionally synonymous when the "pests" are sentient beings.
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02:31:30 PM Apr 16th 2015
^Not really, that would make it genocide, not war. But even aside from that, the quote is not "THIS IS NOT WAR! THIS IS CONTROL OF SENTIENT PESTS!". This trope is about a distinction being made between two things which are not in any way different. It isn't simply any misleading statement.
Scrounge
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10:22:04 PM Nov 7th 2013
How come we have "no Except Yes", but not "Yes Except No"?
Larkmarn
07:49:16 AM Nov 8th 2013
Because that's either covered by No, Except Yes, or else it's a Dissimile. Either way, it's covered.
HersheleOstropoler
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02:16:29 PM Apr 24th 2011
Removed, in reference to David Dinkins:
  • Technically, 'unlawful' and 'illegal' aren't the same thing. Illegal things are specifically banned, whereas unlawful things are non-exceptions to some sort of some general ban. For example, jaywalking is unlawful, but that's not illegal per se...it's just illegal for people to walk around in the road without following signals and signs, and jaywalking is a common way to do that. There is no crime of 'jaywalking'. However, failure to file taxes is explicitly illegal, so David Dinkins was just wrong.

I have a feeling Dinkins was quick to disclaim "committing a crime" because of stereotypes he might have feared being subject to. In any case, I don't think the removed section really captures the distinction he was going for.
MorkaisChosen
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01:26:19 PM Feb 11th 2011
Cut the well-known {300} line, as Sparta is not synonymous with Madness.

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