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Prfnoff
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10:40:48 AM Mar 13th 2010
Removing this ridiculously conflicted entry:
  • Square Enix played this trope pretty straight in The Nineties with heroes Cloud Strife, Squall Lionheart and Amarant. Arguably, however, Kain, Shadow, and Magus are all milder versions.
    • Cloud and Squall don't quite fall into the category, though; neither seem to have the penchant for killing and bloodshed of the average Nineties Anti Hero, and have a strict code of honor. Granted, this may simply be a result of being Japanese as opposed to American-made, but it still counts.
      • Kain also doesn't count; he was just a Brainwashed And Crazy hero. Ultimately, none of these except possibly Amarant and Magus really fits the trope as Americans would see it.
frdcrllr
09:48:10 PM Jan 23rd 2011
How does being crazy prevent you from being this trope?
MarqFJA
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12:33:33 PM May 15th 2010
Any specific examples of Nineties Anti Heroines whose physiques' are "often taken to disfiguring extremes courtesy of the ineptitude of the trope's pioneering artists"? Because I have a hard time imagining one who already even more unrealistic than the more unrealistic "standard" Super Heroines.
thabhorsen
09:45:48 PM Nov 24th 2010
How about any hero drawn by Liefeld?

ccoa
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08:45:31 AM May 25th 2010
I don't think Witchblade belongs on the page. While she did kill villains, she was still, at the heart of her characterization, a cop. She still protected the innocent and solved crimes.

For that matter, Spawn had his share of redeeming qualities, most notably his devotion to and protection of his wife and child. And also that he took care not to get "innocent" homeless killed or involved in what he was doing.

I think we either need to tweak the description so that characters who are violent, kill bad guys, and are morally grey can fit, or else do a purge of examples that don't quite fit the description as being "completely made up of flaws."
184.1.223.7
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12:22:09 PM Sep 14th 2010
Is the Nineties Anti Hero still an example of Tropes are not bad?
SomeGuy
03:06:41 PM Sep 14th 2010
Yes. Just wrote that down in the article so it's clear.
jate
03:48:26 PM Sep 15th 2010
So it's basically a dark and edgier version of a comic book superhero which became popular in the nineties but right from the start most writers failed at using the trope effectively?
Jobbeybob
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09:18:00 PM Jan 17th 2012
Is it really fair to have the caption "everything that was wrong with the 90s..." in the image?
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