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akidaumichi
topic
11:15:19 AM Jul 7th 2014
Since the Real Life section has been removed for a while...

Do you think anyone/someone should create a Nightmare fuel wikia like there is one for fetish fuel? I sorta disappeared for a while so I'm not really aware of what happened that caused the removal of the RL page.
SeptimusHeap
11:53:41 AM Jul 7th 2014
It was removed by administrative decision. A Nightmare Fuel wiki is your decision - TV Tropes won't be involved in official capacity I imagine.
EchoingSilence
topic
06:49:55 PM Dec 13th 2013
How do you guys feel about "The Bloop" because I want to run this by first before I start editing anything. You know that weird noise in the 1990s within the ocean made by something too big to be described as man made, or earth born.

There's a idea that it is earthquakes but I still want to know, would this fit anywhere on the Others page?
LadyStardust
topic
10:31:12 PM May 13th 2013
May i ask what's the point of making a page for a film/game/band/whatever if there's gonna be only one example listed? Isn't that kind of a waste of space?
Akriloth2160
04:10:30 AM Jul 22nd 2013
It's so that the examples of Nightmare Fuel can be reached from the work page itself, not just from the Nightmare Fuel page itself.
LadyStardust
06:00:48 PM Jul 25th 2013
Eh, good point.
Antwan
topic
04:05:46 AM Mar 10th 2013
Question, is Accidental Nightmare Fuel allowed to be used in the YMMV tags or should we keep all examples under Nightmare Fuel period?
Thecommander236
10:22:18 AM Mar 10th 2013
YMMV, I believe.
Kingault
topic
07:34:25 PM Jan 1st 2013
So, now, NF refers to intentional, while ANF refers to unintentional, and examples for both are put on the same page now?
WarriorSparrow
08:28:12 AM Jan 11th 2013
Yup.
Voyd211
topic
07:01:46 AM Dec 18th 2012
You know those FBI reminders on most American DVD's nowadays? I'm not sure where I'd put that.

Namely, the DVD releases of the first generation of Transformers had a "friendly" reminder from the FBI before you got to the menu. I think that the picture of the dude with stuff getting drawn over him is supposed to be Nightmare Retardant, but it doesn't change the fact that the thing has music. Music that wouldn't be out of place in a horror movie.

As I said, I don't know where to put this.
Evulzboy
07:05:56 PM Apr 7th 2013
Other. In the "other other stuff" category.
AmateurPolymath
topic
07:40:27 PM Dec 6th 2012
So... wait? Why was this page removed from No Real Life Examples, Please!?

It seems a lot of the "safer" real life examples are going under "Other", but still, the page is open for misuse.
WarriorSparrow
11:13:56 AM Jan 4th 2013
So the Real Life examples can go into Other? I feel that that's fair - having a mention of the fourth wall not protecting you at the bottom of the list didn't seem fitting at all without the opportunity to put Real Life examples.
Telcontar
moderator
11:36:54 AM Jan 4th 2013
They can't, and those which have sneaked onto the Other page should be removed.
WarriorSparrow
08:20:22 AM Jan 11th 2013
I feel that there should be a section for Real Life examples of Nightmare Fuel, and same with Fridge Horror. Otherwise, we might as well completely remove that statement that says "Think you're safe behind the fourth wall because it's only fiction? THINK AGAIN", because now there are no examples of that anyway.
Caunion
10:55:06 PM Sep 26th 2013
I feel that not having a Real Life page of Nightmare Fuel is rather hypocritical. We have Real Life pages for Tear Jerker, Moment of Awesome, Moment of Heartwarming, and Moment of Funny and what makes people laugh is certainly much more subjective than what makes people afraid.
Reduxist
topic
12:52:45 PM Nov 6th 2012
Anyone else think that the Jack Skellington symbol is a little Narmy? I kinda preferred the symbol for HONF. Same meaning, but it didn't have the Narm potential that a smiling skeletal circle has.
Tomodachi
topic
10:34:46 PM Oct 30th 2012
Should Nightmare fuel page have a few quotes?
Evulzboy
07:06:46 PM Apr 7th 2013
Seconded
Natalie20
06:28:42 AM May 11th 2013
I agree
zimboy
topic
04:07:03 AM Sep 22nd 2012
What happened to the [[Toys]] section of [1]?
ACW
topic
03:57:34 PM Jul 13th 2012
So is regular Nightmare Fuel and HONF now merged?
Komodin
05:22:19 PM Jul 13th 2012
Yep.
WarriorSparrow
08:21:18 AM Jan 11th 2013
Does anyone have an archive of the former stuff on the HONF and NF pages, since I know a lot of stuff was lost when ANF examples were deleted.
NyBatteri
topic
12:57:36 AM May 28th 2012
Maybe Nightmare Fuel should have no Real Life examples... For the same reason we don't have Real Life examples for Crapsack World, Cold-Blooded Torture, Sex Slave, and so forth. First, we don't want to scar the innocent tropers mentally, we don't want to drive the tropers to insanity and misanthropy. Second, it might become a Flame Bait, like an entry for Hitler's holocaust campaign invoking Godwin's Law and causing a massive Flame War...
Bigjoemama
01:55:33 PM Jun 12th 2012
edited by Bigjoemama
Nah we should re state it i mean this is becomeing to lighter and softer
captainmarkle
10:41:37 AM Jun 22nd 2012
We need a few, but perhaps locking pages afterwards. No Real Life Examples please is to stop people from calling other people Complete Monster, not for this.

Reinstate Real Life examples now.
lu127
moderator
10:56:48 AM Jun 22nd 2012
No.
LadyStardust
11:01:22 AM Jun 27th 2012
edited by LadyStardust
Scar the tropers mentally? They aren't all kids, just a thought. Plus i'm already scarred.
Telcontar
moderator
01:25:36 PM Jun 27th 2012
The decision was discussed and removing Real Life examlpes was one of the actions taken to help clean up Nightmare Fuel pages. Some tropers are kids. There are other places on the 'net to go for scary stuff, and we don't need to join them.
Reika
09:51:52 AM Jul 25th 2012
Is there a way at all we could have the Real Life page back? I miss it. :( It was convenient place for us Nightmare Fetishist tropers to get a dose of real life Nightmare Fuel. And 'scar innocent users'? It's the NIGHTMARE FUEL page. What do users expect to find there, rainbows and bunnies? Of COURSE it's going to be scary as hell, last I checked, that's kinda the point of Nightmare Fuel: To be scary as hell. I agree that locking it might be a good solution, though.
Fighteer
moderator
09:53:48 AM Jul 25th 2012
No. This decision is final. If you like that sort of thing, I'm quite sure there are other websites that can satisfy your desires. This website will not be a party to them.
CKDexterHaven
01:38:18 PM Jul 30th 2012
We need a Nightmare Fuel wiki like the Fetish Fuel one. Problem is, I have no idea how to make one. It had lots of info in one place, and a large majority of tropers enjoyed it. It seem a waste to just get rid of it all. I agree that this site isn't the best place for it, but another affiliated wiki might be the way to go. Thoughts?
Reika
12:45:40 PM Jul 31st 2012
I agree, CK. I don't know how to make one either, or else I'd help you.
WarriorSparrow
07:30:58 PM Aug 8th 2012
^I agree as well, but alas, I don't know how to make one.
THEKHAN
02:49:20 PM Sep 3rd 2012
Yes, let's ban everything and "Think of The Children."I'm offended by other nightmare fuel threads as well, why don't we ban them too?

This website is becoming like Demolition man's Utopia.
Telcontar
moderator
01:36:02 AM Sep 4th 2012
The majority of tropers voted to remove the pages. They are not coming back at the request of a few people who can't seem to go elsewhere for their scare fixes.

At every change that happens, people claim it's the death of the wiki, that we're becoming trite and boring, etc.. It hasn't happened yet. One can look back on a rename done in 2010 that people protested against and see that now, nobody cares or wants the old name and the wiki is better for it.
THEKHAN
04:45:15 AM Sep 7th 2012
I have a strong feeling that tropers who bother to vote are either soccer moms or fakes.

Who would bother to have it removed?

What kind if mental maturity would a person have to believe Nightmare Fuel will disappear once they vote it out?
Alloflifedecays
04:37:55 PM Sep 8th 2012
I really miss them. There were honestly some really interesting things in there - they were really good sources of inspiration for horror stories. I get that they're not coming back here, but is there anywhere they can go?
LairOfRockwhales
03:59:34 PM Sep 13th 2012
You can get them off of Archive.org if you want them.
LadyStardust
01:19:35 AM Oct 28th 2012
Well yeah but even then that doesn't work too great.
AmateurPolymath
07:39:01 PM Dec 6th 2012
I have copies saved to my hard-drive if you really want them, just send me a PM.
efay
02:24:01 PM Nov 10th 2013
For anyone interested in real-life Nightmare Fuel, here you go.
mellochan42
topic
01:44:59 PM May 6th 2012
Does anyone else think the page image for HONF should be, well, scarier? The image there is just a mask surrounded by flames. Maybe there's some context in whatever it's in that makes it terrifying, but if you haven't seen... Terminator 2, I believe it was, then it's just a mask surrounded by flames.
Telcontar
moderator
02:07:38 PM May 6th 2012
I haven't seen whatever it comes from, but I can tell that, even if it's narm in the film, it's meant to be scary. The image is there at the desire of the admin.
mellochan42
11:03:47 AM May 8th 2012
I see. So there's no chance of changing it, then? There are plenty of great images that could be used. Is using an image from the image links against the rules or no?

[I did go and watch it in the context. Still not scary. And that's saying something, cause I'm really easily scared]
SeptimusHeap
11:08:21 AM May 8th 2012
^Yes. No chance, Image Links pics not allowed at all, unless you can convince FE to change it.
Telcontar
moderator
11:09:31 AM May 8th 2012
edited by Telcontar
You could open an IP thread about it, but there's a high chance it would get zapped by a mod/admin. I expect that a lot of the image links are scarier and would legitimately give nightmares (I avoid them for that reason!), but I do wonder if part of the reason for this image is to avoid someone being scarred if they come across the page by accident. Not likely, I know, but it means the image isn't something you'd want to avoid being on your computer screen at work.

Ninja'd.
SeptimusHeap
11:23:31 AM May 8th 2012
^I think the reason is mostly the edit warring about the image.
Evulzboy
10:10:49 PM May 14th 2012
I think it gets the point across while being Safe For Sanity.
MegaJ
topic
08:09:36 PM May 3rd 2012
Could someone added the Vanity Plate sections back? It's here:

http://pastebin.com/15KLjpUW
MeiwakunaBoku
topic
05:29:29 PM May 2nd 2012
Why is the Real Life section deleted?
Telcontar
moderator
12:34:22 AM May 3rd 2012
Do we really need a list of scary stuff in real life? Go here to vote for it staying or going; that item was briefly called as having No Real Life Examples, but it has been opened again.
WarriorSparrow
02:45:38 PM May 4th 2012
I don't see it in the list there, does that mean it's coming back? I hope so, I liked that page a lot.
Telcontar
moderator
05:13:54 AM May 5th 2012
It isn't coming back. The crowner was restarted as it was getting crowded.
WarriorSparrow
06:00:23 PM May 6th 2012
I think it was a dumb idea to remove it though - I know that a lot of people including me enjoyed looking at that page, and it shows what kind of nightmare fuel there is in real life - nothing's happened to the Real Life section for the over Crowning Moments pages.
Telcontar
moderator
03:04:49 AM May 7th 2012
That's under discussion here.
CKDexterHaven
06:24:25 PM May 27th 2012
It was my favorite page! I know this might sound impractical, but I think we need a Nightmare Fuel wiki.
Renneth
08:35:42 PM Jun 5th 2012
If we can't get the RL section back, then I definitely second the Nightmare Fuel wiki idea. Reading that page was, in itself, a Crowning Moment of Awesome. The page can't be gone for good.
SoapMagic
07:08:35 PM Jun 14th 2012
The RL section had a lot of info in a convenient place. I don't know where I can find another place like that on the web. I don't think it should disappear forever. Maybe it could be sent to one of those offsite wikis. Just please keep it somewhere!
NoriMori
09:40:09 PM Jan 1st 2013
I agree. I was looking for that page to find a quote that I loved. If I'd known there was a chance of it disappearing, I would've saved it. People supporting the deletion keep saying, "Go elsewhere for your scares", as if they're so clever for thinking of that. But what if what we're looking for is the *specific content from that page that was deleted*? Going to other websites doesn't really solve that problem.
Telcontar
moderator
01:16:32 AM Jan 2nd 2013
edited by Telcontar
Here is a version of the HONF RL page on the Wayback Machine for those of you who are desperate. That's about as good as it'll get.
DeepC
topic
01:40:36 PM Apr 29th 2012
HONF for Disney redirects to the main page.
ReikoKazama
topic
03:26:47 AM Apr 29th 2012
HONF page for Homestuck redirects to this page. Why?
Shaoken
09:27:44 PM May 3rd 2012
Somebody screwed up the redirect. Edit it to point to Homestuck
SeptimusHeap
topic
11:31:19 AM Apr 28th 2012
Re current changes: As per the TRS thread, Nightmare Fuel is now the official "scary things" Audience Reaction.

Re rules for Nightmare Fuel entries:
  1. Contestations or natter will be zapped on sight
  2. Explain what is the Nightmare Fuel. Anything insufficient will go to discussion until it's improved.
  3. No first-person. Period. And no Troper Tales either - they will also go to discussion.
  4. No links on main pages, other than in descriptions.
WarriorSparrow
11:59:33 AM Apr 29th 2012
... This feels like suppression of ideas, if you ask me. Like a lot of the fun out of the nightmare fuel is thus being taken out.
Abodos
07:41:45 PM Apr 30th 2012
Um, "suppression of ideas"? Those four rules are meant to apply to every page on the wiki, and they've been there for as long as the wiki has. Cleaning up pages to adhere to the basic standards of the site is not "taking out the fun", it's keeping people from trying to have fun in ways that they were never allowed to in the first place.
DeepC
topic
08:57:47 PM Apr 10th 2012
What happened to all of the Accidental Nightmare Fuel pages?! I'm guessing that the HONF will be removed along with every Crowning Moment.
lu127
moderator
01:29:03 AM Apr 11th 2012
Accidental Nightmare Fuel has been going out the trope repair shop due to horrendous misuse for years, and no one ever bothered to do the cleanup. Thus, it can no longer be catalogued. The rest are safe for now. Subpages have temporarily been removed from the main page but have not been deleted.
DeepC
10:31:16 AM Apr 11th 2012
Fair enough.
AndyLA
03:50:08 PM Apr 15th 2012
So, uh... where can I find them?
ccoa
moderator
06:47:20 AM Apr 21st 2012
The Wayback Machine or other archives could probably bring them up.
Evulzboy
11:22:13 AM Apr 21st 2012
The High Octane Nightmare Fuel is missing its examples. I'm wigging out!
TBAbrams
07:42:07 AM Apr 22nd 2012
Well I tried cleaning up HONF pages. I once had one of my edits undone with a clarification that just because I don't find something scary it doesn't mean it doesn't belong, that I'm being rude etc. The example I removed that got restored was referring to a guy being killed by a big ass arrow through the chest. That is not what High Octane Nightmare Fuel means. I didn't stop cleaning up the page though, put people just keep adding stuff that don't belong to all of them on a daily basis from Wham Episode to Adult Fear, to people making scarry faces, to major injuries to Fridge Horror, even hypothetical situations that never even happen in canon. But hey. It's supposedly subjective so it's all fine. Still if nobody else bothers to clean up, someone has to do it.
Evulzboy
08:59:58 AM Apr 22nd 2012
edited by Evulzboy
I don't think you're supposed to do that. While I do agree with you on the hypotheical stuff ( that belongs on Fridge Horror or Accidental Nightmare Fuel), you can't just get rid of things that were intended to shock or be scary just based on how much it scared you. It's a rule right on the main page.
PulpoOscuro
topic
08:16:58 PM Jan 15th 2012
So I was in the Image Links page and I looked at that Cordyceps picture. While undeniably frightening, I'm not sure if it qualifies... does it still count because Cordyceps (as far as we know) doesn't care if it scares us or not?
Sol9000
topic
09:46:47 PM Sep 8th 2011
What happened to the Nightmare Fuel Page!?!
SamMax
05:54:06 PM Oct 7th 2011
edited by SamMax
You weren't paying attention? It got renamed to Accidental Nightmare Fuel, for cryin' out loud!
DrWhooves
11:08:12 PM Oct 26th 2011
Yeah, and I can't entirely say I care for it. The page quote from MST3K is good old fashioned nightmare fuel. Not good old fashioned accidental nightmare fuel. Just saying.
Slash0mega
topic
02:49:03 PM Apr 19th 2011
did this page name change? i am not imagining that accidental nightmare fuel was the nightmare fuel page right?
DrStarky
09:31:22 AM Apr 25th 2011
Yeah. The page was being misused all over place so we had to change the name to something more clear.
McKnight
03:19:47 AM May 5th 2011
Whoever renamed this page should have thought things through. Some people have been too lazy to distinguish between "regular" and High Octane Nightmare Fuel. As a result, anywhere on this entire website where it originally just said "Nightmare Fuel" in now says "Accidental Nightmare Fuel" for a lot of stuff that clearly isn't accidental. I did a massive cleanup of the Anime section, where the vast majority of examples listed are in fact indistinguishable from HONF, and also relocated the folders for Hayao Miyazaki and Princess Tutu into High Octane Nightmare Fuel. However, I'm not gonna be able to check every single works page to see whether anything says "Accidental" or "High Octane/Unleaded". (Not to mention that there are some western cartoons that I'd rather not deal with, which have their own folders.)

Something really should be done about this whole thing. Who's interested in fixing everything?
DeathCloud
12:59:29 PM May 26th 2011
Make Nightmare Fuel as a redirect to High Octane Nightmare Fuel.

Rename it only half or less of work.

WillBGood
05:19:42 PM Jul 11th 2011
I think redirecting Nightmare Fuel to High Octane Nightmare Fuel would be a good idea as well. The other redirection titles for this page (Unintentional Nightmare Fuel, Nightmare Fuel For Kids) cover it just as well. There are a LOT of entries that were probably meant to be High Octane and come here instead. (For that matter, should High Octane Nightmare Fuel have the alternate title "Nightmare Fuel For Everyone"?)
WillBGood
05:39:43 PM Jul 11th 2011
Actually, maybe even better would be to give Nightmare Fuel a page of that title, with the definitions of Accidental and High Octane Nightmare Fuel on it, and *links* to those respective pages. As it is, there's a lot of pages whose source says "Nightmare Fuel" and could go either way (like Scary Scarecrows) that automatically redirect here. (The sentence in question, in the definition part of the page, originally read "As such, scarecrows are brilliant Nightmare Fuel fodder"— and it applies both in the Accidental and High Octane way. It shouldn't automatically go here, nor automatically read "Accidental Nightmare Fuel fodder" like it currently does.)

WillBGood
07:03:17 PM Jul 17th 2011
As it turns out, the page for Unwinnable does just what I was suggesting should be done for Nightmare Fuel, and would be a good model to base a revamp on. I'd also suggest creating a "Deliberate Nightmare Fuel" page and having High Octane Nightmare Fuel redirect to it (noting that there is deliberate nightmare fuel that is meant to scare kids, and deliberate that is meant to scare EVERYONE).
Bhaal
topic
08:13:04 PM Feb 6th 2011
Quick question really; I noticed on one of the indexes at the bottom, Web was followed by Original, Animation, and Series, but the only real link to the whole thing was 'Web.' After that, it was just regular text.

Here's my question; how did that get there? I fixed the problem, in any case, but I'm just curious how it got there.
Ramenth
topic
10:13:05 PM Jan 26th 2011
Why are the sub-pages for this now black? Seems to remove any degree of serious consideration it could possible receive. Aren't we supposed to at least look objective?
ScarletNebula
01:33:16 PM Feb 18th 2014
Plus it's easier to read white on black/dark colors in general.
TsundeRay
topic
11:53:45 PM Dec 23rd 2010
Due to the number of tropers going "haha this troper got scared by so and so thing what a pussy", I've put the following disclaimer on this and High Octane Nightmare Fuel; is this okay?

Keep in mind: This is a Subjective Trope. Some of the entries here may come off as nothing scary to you, and that's fine. That does not give you the right to delete an entry or argue over it on its respective page. Calling someone a wimp because something that you don't mind creeped them out is rude.
66.109.50.135
topic
07:24:34 AM Apr 16th 2010
I think that barney is scary.
TheLuckyStar
08:48:44 AM Apr 16th 2010
edited by DrStarky
Well, if you Deconstruct it and take a good look at it, the entire point of that show is that a bunch of kids have an unhealthy obsession with a toy - an inaminate object - that somehow, possibly through the dark arts, transmutes itself into a giant sentient stuffed dinosaur. These kids don't appear to have any parents, and if they do, their parents don't seem to have any qualms about letting them devote their entire existence to this Eldritch Abomination disguising itself as a happy purple dinosaur. If we're to believe the theme song, which states that Barney comes "from [their] imagination", who's to say the kids aren't just totally insane and hallucinating the entire thing? How do we know it's just simple children's make-believe games? For all we know, they could have such traumatic lives that their only outlet of peace and tranquility is to imagine themselves engaging in "fun and games" with Barney.

As for Barney himself, the thing is a dinosaur that resembles a Lighter and Softer caricature of a tyrranosaurus rex - if he were in any way realistic, he'd be trying to eviscerate the kids and devour their bloody remains, not teach them about love and happiness; which in itself is a little creepy. Isn't Barney's "fondess" for the kid a little suspicious? It seems to me like he's trying to intoxicate and indoctrinate the poor children with his talk of love - kind of like a crazy cult leader subtly manipulating the kids' minds and earning their trust. And that huge, disfiguring smile...maybe Barney is a Stepford Smiler who's only pretending to enjoy his tormented existence of humouring the children, and is constantly subject to And I Must Scream-style imprisonment in his stuffed toy form; or maybe that's his Slasher Smile and he really does want to capture and consume the kids he's lulling into a false sense of security?

75.68.205.80
11:25:19 AM Jun 5th 2010
I just found Sugarwiki and I find if confusing. but itt seems as the main point of it is for opinions, so shouldn't both this and Fetish Fuel both belong there?
ading
05:58:50 AM Apr 17th 2011
Sugar wiki is for positive opinions. Nightmare Fuel is not positive or negative.
McKnight
03:22:24 AM May 5th 2011
This trope is for *Accidental* Nightmare Fuel. If you find Barney scary for whatever reason, given that he isn't meant to be, then this is where it goes.
mysticpenguin
topic
11:32:33 PM Mar 17th 2010
edited by mysticpenguin
Okay, so Nightmare Fuel is for unintentionally scary children's media, Defanged Horrors is for intentionally scary children's media, and High Octane Nightmare Fuel is for stuff that's genuinely meant to scare adults. Got it. But what about the stuff for grown-ups that isn't meant to be scary but is anyway? For example, the [1] 1979 music video for "Roly Poly Fish Heads." I don't think it's meant to be terrifying, it's just a silly little novelty song. And yet... holy shit. Where would something like that fit?
MegaJ
11:41:43 PM Mar 17th 2010
I would say Nightmare Fuel. Yeah, generally it's unintentionally scary things to kids, but there's a lot of cross over and I think Nightmare Fuel can extend to "general audiences/relatively unoffensive to kids" and HONF is "exclusively adult."
ading
04:32:36 AM Mar 7th 2011
no, Nightmare Fuel=unintentionally scary, not necessarily children's media.
78.15.241.93
09:19:28 AM Mar 16th 2011
What's on that video? Ingmar
FastEddie
moderator
07:55:50 PM May 1st 2012
The OP is wrong, here. Nightmare Fuel is for things that fuel nightmares. We have no way to perceive intentions in author's minds.
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