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So the Real Life examples can go into Other? I feel that that's fair - having a mention of the fourth wall not protecting you at the bottom of the list didn't seem fitting at all without the opportunity to put Real Life examples.

They can't, and those which have sneaked onto the Other page should be removed.

I feel that there should be a section for Real Life examples of Nightmare Fuel, and same with Fridge Horror. Otherwise, we might as well completely remove that statement that says "Think you're safe behind the fourth wall because it's only fiction? THINK AGAIN", because now there are no examples of that anyway.

I feel that not having a Real Life page of Nightmare Fuel is rather hypocritical. We have Real Life pages for Tear Jerker, Moment of Awesome, Moment of Heartwarming, and Moment of Funny and what makes people laugh is certainly much more subjective than what makes people afraid.

You make a good point, Caunion.

I agree with Caunion as well. Plus the Real Life stuff has been backed up by the Wayback Machine so we can restore it all pretty easily.

Yep, it's no longer a separate trope.

Was it supposed to be the Up to Eleven equivalent to Nightmare Fuel?

Yes. Which is why it's no longer a separate trope. These kinds of splits don't work, ever.

Yep, too much on Real Life.

Tear Jerker is also an Audience Reaction.

I personally would not bother making a page there.

It was removed by administrative decision. A Nightmare Fuel wiki is your decision - TV Tropes won't be involved in official capacity I imagine.

Often, people are more easily scared in the dark.

Plus it's easier to read white on black/dark colors in general.

Nah we should re state it i mean this is becomeing to lighter and softer

We need a few, but perhaps locking pages afterwards. No Real Life Examples please is to stop people from calling other people Complete Monster, not for this.

Reinstate Real Life examples now.

No.

Scar the tropers mentally? They aren't all kids, just a thought. Plus i'm already scarred.

The decision was discussed and removing Real Life examlpes was one of the actions taken to help clean up Nightmare Fuel pages. Some tropers are kids. There are other places on the 'net to go for scary stuff, and we don't need to join them.

Is there a way at all we could have the Real Life page back? I miss it. :( It was convenient place for us Nightmare Fetishist tropers to get a dose of real life Nightmare Fuel. And 'scar innocent users'? It's the NIGHTMARE FUEL page. What do users expect to find there, rainbows and bunnies? Of COURSE it's going to be scary as hell, last I checked, that's kinda the point of Nightmare Fuel: To be scary as hell. I agree that locking it might be a good solution, though.

No. This decision is final. If you like that sort of thing, I'm quite sure there are other websites that can satisfy your desires. This website will not be a party to them.

We need a Nightmare Fuel wiki like the Fetish Fuel one. Problem is, I have no idea how to make one. It had lots of info in one place, and a large majority of tropers enjoyed it. It seem a waste to just get rid of it all. I agree that this site isn't the best place for it, but another affiliated wiki might be the way to go. Thoughts?

I agree, CK. I don't know how to make one either, or else I'd help you.

^I agree as well, but alas, I don't know how to make one.

Yes, let's ban everything and "Think of The Children."I'm offended by other nightmare fuel threads as well, why don't we ban them too?

This website is becoming like Demolition man's Utopia.

The majority of tropers voted to remove the pages. They are not coming back at the request of a few people who can't seem to go elsewhere for their scare fixes.

At every change that happens, people claim it's the death of the wiki, that we're becoming trite and boring, etc.. It hasn't happened yet. One can look back on a rename done in 2010 that people protested against and see that now, nobody cares or wants the old name and the wiki is better for it.

I have a strong feeling that tropers who bother to vote are either soccer moms or fakes.

Who would bother to have it removed?

What kind if mental maturity would a person have to believe Nightmare Fuel will disappear once they vote it out?

I really miss them. There were honestly some really interesting things in there - they were really good sources of inspiration for horror stories. I get that they're not coming back here, but is there anywhere they can go?

You can get them off of Archive.org if you want them.

Well yeah but even then that doesn't work too great.

I have copies saved to my hard-drive if you really want them, just send me a PM.

For anyone interested in real-life Nightmare Fuel, here you go.

It's so that the examples of Nightmare Fuel can be reached from the work page itself, not just from the Nightmare Fuel page itself.

Eh, good point.

Seconded

I agree

Other. In the "other other stuff" category.

YMMV, I believe.

Yup.

Yep.

Does anyone have an archive of the former stuff on the HONF and NF pages, since I know a lot of stuff was lost when ANF examples were deleted.

Do we really need a list of scary stuff in real life? Go here to vote for it staying or going; that item was briefly called as having No Real Life Examples, but it has been opened again.

I don't see it in the list there, does that mean it's coming back? I hope so, I liked that page a lot.

It isn't coming back. The crowner was restarted as it was getting crowded.

I think it was a dumb idea to remove it though - I know that a lot of people including me enjoyed looking at that page, and it shows what kind of nightmare fuel there is in real life - nothing's happened to the Real Life section for the over Crowning Moments pages.

That's under discussion here.

It was my favorite page! I know this might sound impractical, but I think we need a Nightmare Fuel wiki.

If we can't get the RL section back, then I definitely second the Nightmare Fuel wiki idea. Reading that page was, in itself, a Crowning Moment of Awesome. The page can't be gone for good.

The RL section had a lot of info in a convenient place. I don't know where I can find another place like that on the web. I don't think it should disappear forever. Maybe it could be sent to one of those offsite wikis. Just please keep it somewhere!

I agree. I was looking for that page to find a quote that I loved. If I'd known there was a chance of it disappearing, I would've saved it. People supporting the deletion keep saying, "Go elsewhere for your scares", as if they're so clever for thinking of that. But what if what we're looking for is the *specific content from that page that was deleted*? Going to other websites doesn't really solve that problem.

Here is a version of the HONF RL page on the Wayback Machine for those of you who are desperate. That's about as good as it'll get.

I haven't seen whatever it comes from, but I can tell that, even if it's narm in the film, it's meant to be scary. The image is there at the desire of the admin.

I see. So there's no chance of changing it, then? There are plenty of great images that could be used. Is using an image from the image links against the rules or no?

[I did go and watch it in the context. Still not scary. And that's saying something, cause I'm really easily scared]

^Yes. No chance, Image Links pics not allowed at all, unless you can convince FE to change it.

You could open an IP thread about it, but there's a high chance it would get zapped by a mod/admin. I expect that a lot of the image links are scarier and would legitimately give nightmares (I avoid them for that reason!), but I do wonder if part of the reason for this image is to avoid someone being scarred if they come across the page by accident. Not likely, I know, but it means the image isn't something you'd want to avoid being on your computer screen at work.

Ninja'd.

^I think the reason is mostly the edit warring about the image.

I think it gets the point across while being Safe For Sanity.

Somebody screwed up the redirect. Edit it to point to Homestuck

I would say Nightmare Fuel. Yeah, generally it's unintentionally scary things to kids, but there's a lot of cross over and I think Nightmare Fuel can extend to "general audiences/relatively unoffensive to kids" and HONF is "exclusively adult."

no, Nightmare Fuel=unintentionally scary, not necessarily children's media.

What's on that video? Ingmar

The OP is wrong, here. Nightmare Fuel is for things that fuel nightmares. We have no way to perceive intentions in author's minds.

... This feels like suppression of ideas, if you ask me. Like a lot of the fun out of the nightmare fuel is thus being taken out.

Um, "suppression of ideas"? Those four rules are meant to apply to every page on the wiki, and they've been there for as long as the wiki has. Cleaning up pages to adhere to the basic standards of the site is not "taking out the fun", it's keeping people from trying to have fun in ways that they were never allowed to in the first place.

Accidental Nightmare Fuel has been going out the trope repair shop due to horrendous misuse for years, and no one ever bothered to do the cleanup. Thus, it can no longer be catalogued. The rest are safe for now. Subpages have temporarily been removed from the main page but have not been deleted.

Fair enough.

So, uh... where can I find them?

The Wayback Machine or other archives could probably bring them up.

The High Octane Nightmare Fuel is missing its examples. I'm wigging out!

Well I tried cleaning up HONF pages. I once had one of my edits undone with a clarification that just because I don't find something scary it doesn't mean it doesn't belong, that I'm being rude etc. The example I removed that got restored was referring to a guy being killed by a big ass arrow through the chest. That is not what High Octane Nightmare Fuel means. I didn't stop cleaning up the page though, put people just keep adding stuff that don't belong to all of them on a daily basis from Wham Episode to Adult Fear, to people making scarry faces, to major injuries to Fridge Horror, even hypothetical situations that never even happen in canon. But hey. It's supposedly subjective so it's all fine. Still if nobody else bothers to clean up, someone has to do it.

I don't think you're supposed to do that. While I do agree with you on the hypotheical stuff ( that belongs on Fridge Horror or Accidental Nightmare Fuel), you can't just get rid of things that were intended to shock or be scary just based on how much it scared you. It's a rule right on the main page.

You weren't paying attention? It got renamed to Accidental Nightmare Fuel, for cryin' out loud!

Yeah, and I can't entirely say I care for it. The page quote from MST 3 K is good old fashioned nightmare fuel. Not good old fashioned accidental nightmare fuel. Just saying.

Yeah. The page was being misused all over place so we had to change the name to something more clear.

Whoever renamed this page should have thought things through. Some people have been too lazy to distinguish between "regular" and High Octane Nightmare Fuel. As a result, anywhere on this entire website where it originally just said "Nightmare Fuel" in now says "Accidental Nightmare Fuel" for a lot of stuff that clearly isn't accidental. I did a massive cleanup of the Anime section, where the vast majority of examples listed are in fact indistinguishable from HONF, and also relocated the folders for Hayao Miyazaki and Princess Tutu into High Octane Nightmare Fuel. However, I'm not gonna be able to check every single works page to see whether anything says "Accidental" or "High Octane/Unleaded". (Not to mention that there are some western cartoons that I'd rather not deal with, which have their own folders.)

Something really should be done about this whole thing. Who's interested in fixing everything?

Make Nightmare Fuel as a redirect to High Octane Nightmare Fuel.

Rename it only half or less of work.

I think redirecting Nightmare Fuel to High Octane Nightmare Fuel would be a good idea as well. The other redirection titles for this page (Unintentional Nightmare Fuel, Nightmare Fuel For Kids) cover it just as well. There are a LOT of entries that were probably meant to be High Octane and come here instead. (For that matter, should High Octane Nightmare Fuel have the alternate title "Nightmare Fuel For Everyone"?)

Actually, maybe even better would be to give Nightmare Fuel a page of that title, with the definitions of Accidental and High Octane Nightmare Fuel on it, and *links* to those respective pages. As it is, there's a lot of pages whose source says "Nightmare Fuel" and could go either way (like Scary Scarecrows) that automatically redirect here. (The sentence in question, in the definition part of the page, originally read "As such, scarecrows are brilliant Nightmare Fuel fodder"— and it applies both in the Accidental and High Octane way. It shouldn't automatically go here, nor automatically read "Accidental Nightmare Fuel fodder" like it currently does.)

As it turns out, the page for Unwinnable does just what I was suggesting should be done for Nightmare Fuel, and would be a good model to base a revamp on. I'd also suggest creating a "Deliberate Nightmare Fuel" page and having High Octane Nightmare Fuel redirect to it (noting that there is deliberate nightmare fuel that is meant to scare kids, and deliberate that is meant to scare EVERYONE).

Well, if you Deconstruct it and take a good look at it, the entire point of that show is that a bunch of kids have an unhealthy obsession with a toy - an inaminate object - that somehow, possibly through the dark arts, transmutes itself into a giant sentient stuffed dinosaur. These kids don't appear to have any parents, and if they do, their parents don't seem to have any qualms about letting them devote their entire existence to this Eldritch Abomination disguising itself as a happy purple dinosaur. If we're to believe the theme song, which states that Barney comes "from [their] imagination", who's to say the kids aren't just totally insane and hallucinating the entire thing? How do we know it's just simple children's make-believe games? For all we know, they could have such traumatic lives that their only outlet of peace and tranquility is to imagine themselves engaging in "fun and games" with Barney.

As for Barney himself, the thing is a dinosaur that resembles a Lighter and Softer caricature of a tyrranosaurus rex - if he were in any way realistic, he'd be trying to eviscerate the kids and devour their bloody remains, not teach them about love and happiness; which in itself is a little creepy. Isn't Barney's "fondess" for the kid a little suspicious? It seems to me like he's trying to intoxicate and indoctrinate the poor children with his talk of love - kind of like a crazy cult leader subtly manipulating the kids' minds and earning their trust. And that huge, disfiguring smile...maybe Barney is a Stepford Smiler who's only pretending to enjoy his tormented existence of humouring the children, and is constantly subject to And I Must Scream-style imprisonment in his stuffed toy form; or maybe that's his Slasher Smile and he really does want to capture and consume the kids he's lulling into a false sense of security?

I just found Sugarwiki and I find if confusing. but itt seems as the main point of it is for opinions, so shouldn't both this and Fetish Fuel both belong there?

Sugar wiki is for positive opinions. Nightmare Fuel is not positive or negative.

This trope is for *Accidental* Nightmare Fuel. If you find Barney scary for whatever reason, given that he isn't meant to be, then this is where it goes.