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AgProv
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10:01:15 AM Sep 2nd 2014
edited by 2.99.150.52
Point of accuracy: under Radio, The Mary Whitehouse Experience. Just to say it wasn't just Newman and Baddiel, although they're best known: there were four guys in the group. the other two MWE members, Hugh Dennis (sitcom Outnumbered) and Steve Punt, went on to do a TV series together and then went onto individual careers in comedy. I'd slot in a brief line if the page wasn't locked.
Westrim
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10:24:10 AM May 24th 2014
Under Real Life/ Internet, it would make sense to have the closest to home example; this very site.

  • Tv Tropes has had multiple run ins with moral guardians, resulting in being cut off from Google advertising at least once and widespread self censorship and elimination of sex oriented tropes, media, and discussion. Since guidelines put into place after one incident exempt PG-13 movies and Teen rated games and below from inspection, it can be said that the site itself is now rated PG-13. As is usual for the trope, there has been no corresponding response to violent media.
lolwutburger
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04:26:59 AM May 19th 2014
Hey hey, Derpy is back.

We should probably add that to the Real Life - Western Animation section, replacing the "We can forget about a Derpy episode" part.
NaraNumas
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02:09:02 AM Apr 9th 2014
edited by 98.87.142.248
If possible, I'd like someone to add this addendum under the Pokémon Black and White entry

  • Which, ironically, PETA completely missed the point of in one of their shock site/flash games Pokémon Black and Blue, idolizing Team Plasma as heroes while sending the players out to rescue them from their trainers. Interestingly whoever designed the game had obviously played the real one all the way through, as they knew Ghetsis' true intentions well enough to leave him as the villain.
SeptimusHeap
04:41:42 AM Apr 9th 2014
Eh, that looks like natter and not really pertinent.
NaraNumas
10:05:31 AM Apr 9th 2014
Fair enough, I'll hunt around for a trope that fits it better and fix it up (if there isn't already and example about it), cheers.
AgProv
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01:10:52 AM Sep 18th 2013
edited by 89.240.72.177
ignore this - duplicated post.... said the same here a year or two ago. My bad and short-term memory...
Malitia
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05:05:45 AM Jul 28th 2013
edited by 70.33.253.45
Ummm... is this (from Real Life section) really an example of this trope?

  • "Shit Reddit Says", a group on Reddit that links to and makes fun of posts they consider bigoted.

I mean it sound more like people collecting troll / weird / fringe shit for Bile Fascination not "Think of the Children! - let's ban it!!1!1eleventy!!1!" to me. But then again I'm not on Reddit.
editerguy
05:44:29 AM Jul 28th 2013
Yeah that sounds like a "point and laugh" group, what are they even supposed to be 'guarding'? Doesn't seem to fit at all.
Clanger00
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04:37:12 PM Jun 22nd 2013
Could we add in the 2013 Penny Arcade 'controversy'? A few people started accusing Krahulik of being transphobic because he said all women have vaginas.
MrDeath
07:59:10 AM Jun 24th 2013
For God's sake, really?
Feral2k
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04:14:03 PM Apr 22nd 2013
The Dilbert character "Phil, the Prince of Insufficient Light" bears some mention on this page, since he was created because Scott Adams' editor thought introducing Satan as a character (which was Adams' original plan) would get the strip pulled from newspapers, as revealed in the book "Seven Years of Highly Defective People".
oolon
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08:32:24 PM Feb 9th 2013
Just wanted to correct a couple misspellings of "satellite" (shown as "sattelite"). They OFFEND me!!
diamonddmgirl
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07:45:07 PM Jan 30th 2013
Could someone please add some spoiler-tags to the pokemon Black and White example?
kazokuhouou
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01:12:02 PM Jan 20th 2013
New In-Universe example, belongs in Western Animation, when possible add it in.

  • In Moral Orel, Miss Censordoll leads a group of these in protests of various things around Moralton. The objects of their ire can be...rather odd. (Protesting The Greatest Story Ever Told because it's so long that it'll distract audiences into whoring? Weird. Protesting wedding receptions? Hilarious once the bride herself joins in the protests.)
    • One episode specifically deals with Orel joining them and then leading a protest against eggs, causing an inner conflict with Miss Censordoll, due to eggs being her favorite food.
redrosary
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10:08:52 AM Oct 16th 2012
IIRC, in the Philippines, Diablo III was pulled out of the shelves because the CBCP (Catholic Bishops' Conference of the Philippines) thought it was, for want of a better term I could think of, evil.
AgProv
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04:10:56 PM Oct 10th 2012
That KFC advert where people try to sing with their gobs full of shite KFC almost-chicken? Nothing to do with moral aspects or bad table manners - we wanted it banned because it was fucking disgusting to watch. Some things are pretty absolute, and some scrote of a chav with their mouth crammed with food trying to speak - or worse, sing - and churning it up visibly or spitting it all over the place - absolutely fucking sick-making disgusting.

NoyTelin
03:28:33 PM Mar 14th 2013
From a certain point of view. I thought it was funny.

And seriously, disgusted? How are you on the internet then?
Match25
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02:28:25 AM Oct 8th 2012
King of the Hill entry needs to change because she says "Satanist ''caused'' her to run over her cat.
ryanasaurus0077
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01:06:38 PM Jun 11th 2012
edited by ryanasaurus0077
  • Interestingly, Disney has been accused of this practice themselves, either forcing certain films to be released by other companies or outright refusing to allow them to be released at all. Only Yesterday, Kids, Dogma, and Lucio Fulci's The Beyond come to mind.

Normally, I wouldn't post this here, except a couple of punks thought it would be a good idea to trope us (which, for those wondering, is NOT a good idea).
doomsday524
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06:44:23 PM Jun 2nd 2012
edited by doomsday524
Hold on, it's racist to call Jacob from Twilight Indian? I usually don't use it, but only so as not to confuse it with people from India. It's not racist to call someone an Indian. Looks like whoever wrote that it was racist for them to call Jacob that is themselves a moral guardian.
UltimaBuddy
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02:33:44 PM May 9th 2012
edited by UltimaBuddy
Can someone bring up these points in the Portal 2 section?

- It was spoken by GLaDOS, a callous AI that has lied to you and tried to kill you, both multiple times.

- It was brought up in the first game.
Tekrelious
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12:03:22 AM Mar 3rd 2012
Isn't Kirino Kousaka 14 years old and not 12? I googled it and couldn't find anywhere that said she was 12. I haven't read the light novels however so I'll ask rather than change something in case I'm wrong.
Oreochan
12:05:02 AM Mar 3rd 2012
Yep, she is fourteen in the light novels.
doomsday524
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11:36:02 AM Feb 26th 2012
edited by doomsday524
Changed the opening page so it doesn't just go off easy on left-wing examples. Of course modern people don't agree with racism, but a left-wing moral guardian sees racism and sexism in almost any work, using trivial, typical things like superhero outfits or The Chick as "evidence" of sexism, a non Canon Sue portrayal of a woman or minority is "racist" or "sexist", and they try to censor the word black and say Real Women Never Wear Dresses. Again, that's just defining what a left-wing moral guardian is like and that's an extreme example, of course, we seem to be more willing to talk about the right-wing version. I'm just trying to improve the page. I apologize if there's another way to make it look even-keeled, which I'll work with others here on doing if they think it needs it.
Malitia
11:11:44 PM Feb 26th 2012
edited by Malitia
Not really a critic just a question: Why on earth is this considered left-wing? Extreme moral guardian Political Correctness Gone Mad yes... but left wing? "Down with the (big or any if we go to the far-far left) enterprises!" "Consumerism is the DEVIL!" "The original sin was the first human who said MINE. We should have lynched him!" kinda stuff is extreme left-wing. :) My best guess is that this probably the American (mis)use of the word... I mean they seem to believe that the Democratic party is somehow left (moderate right if someone asks me). But it's still weird.
Gowan
05:39:00 AM Feb 14th 2013
Whether you like it or not, women are people, and, actually, about 50% of all people are female. Denying this by defining a character solely by "she is female" IS sexist. As is the lack of female characters in the media.

If it wasn't sexist, the trope would not be called "The Chick",obviously.

Caswin
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02:35:55 PM Mar 6th 2010
edited by Caswin
It's a new discussion system, and I still have some questions. To pull straight from my old post:

1. Why do we have the Erich Fromm quote as the definitive quote for Moral Guardians? It's not like "hate or envy" is uniformly the cause behind moral indignation — most people have good intentions when they try to keep kids out of Pulp Fiction.

2. Most "Moral Guardians" types I've seen don't even claim "memberships", let alone vast ones, and Completely Missing The Point with a completely out-of-context-quote is rarer still. It sounds like someone had a few specific bones to pick and used them to define the entire category.

3. To expand on that, is it me, or does the page seem to have become "moral guardians I don't agree with"? For example, there are Troper Tales stressing how old the troper in question is, as if that's the qualifier for this label.

...or is censorship in all its forms (all of them) evil and I'm just the last to know?
GearBoxClock
07:34:36 PM Apr 2nd 2010
edited by GearBoxClock
1. Because, even if they don't know it, they are acting like asshats, and this is more about trying to ban Pulp Fiction from everyone because censors don't like it

2. Thats for the groups and it is depressingly common, even if you don't notice it.

3. This is about the over-the-top, nothing I don't agree with is moral type Guardians

For the record, I think censorship is wrong. You can simply not watch/listen/read/play what offends you, and even if there weren't censor limits, common sense dictates that people wouldn't be showing Pornography or Violence 24/7. Besides, whatever happened to responsibility or art?
SomeGuy
07:00:01 PM Apr 3rd 2010
I don't see how being a Moral Guardian necessarily implies that a person must be an asshat. It just means you're trying to guard the morals. The name alone doesn't say anything about whether it's overzealous or not. That's how I've understood the term even on this wiki, where the general population is much more likely than not to complain about Moral Guardians.
GearBoxClock
10:43:37 PM Apr 17th 2010
The phrase Moral Guardians usually refers to people how are overzealous and think that they are the absolute purveyors of the Moral code
Caswin
12:20:46 PM Jun 19th 2010
edited by Caswin
(Late again to one of my own topics.) Can we clarify exactly what kind of nuts we mean on the main page? Between the description (which used to be more vindictive but basically described the same thing) and the way it's sometimes used, it sounds like anyone who objects to a piece of work on moral grounds is one of those contemptible Moral Guardians.
99.229.172.125
09:02:23 AM Jul 13th 2010
That is a good point.

I'll see about better clarification of the nutjobs this refers too.
deadpool2099
10:08:39 AM Dec 3rd 2010
edited by loracarol
anyone remember the time when comic books where sold at wal mart? no? thats because this moral guardian saw Emma Frost on an xmen cover and flipped out. And for all you MGs out there, if something offends you, don`t be a killjoy, or you'll be the subject of hate on tvtropes.com. ALL TROPERS UNITE!!!!!!!
MrDeath
11:03:16 AM Dec 3rd 2010
Chill out, dude.
85.95.116.157
07:11:15 AM Dec 30th 2010
edited by 85.95.116.157
You people SAY that this is about the over-the-top moral guardians, but it is not. It's about anyone you people think get in the way of your gory, swear-filled, sex-fest fun. It maybe harsh to say that, but I have a feeling that could be an ulterior motive.

Every example of people trying to protect kids is labelled as moral guardian-esque. EVEN censoring swear words and putting age ratings on films, which is a complete contradiction of what you people are claiming about moral guardians. Do we really want to subject and desensitise our kids to this crap? There are some views out there that is it mentally unhealthy to watch violence all the time so much that we adults are desensitised to it, anyway.

The main problem is, we seem to be living in a world that says 'Sort yourself out. I'm not going to help you.' Instead of doing our best as a society to protect our children (and everyone else, for that matter), we leave parents to it, and blame them if it all goes wrong, while we revel in gore-fest videogames, fanservice-filled shows and the like. I still don't know if it is truly a problem, but I don't think it's good to saturate the market with all this crap (and if you're going to start about realism, then don't even bother - it's not about realism and you know it).

So, I'm spoiling your fun, am I? Esacpism is important, but are we living in it too much?

... Moral guardians are a bunch of adults, usally parents, who think they know better. Tv tropes is full of a bunch of young nerds, most likely childless, who think they know better. Who is really right(?

(Here's a fun game. Guess my age.)
MrDeath
07:25:50 AM Dec 30th 2010
Who gives a shit about your age?

And I love the "you people," crap you keep coming out with. This is just another dopey, self-righteous rant from someone who feels they, and they alone, know what "really" is.

Let me say to you, good sir or madame, whatever your age: Get over yourself.
mrdestr
03:28:36 PM Jan 11th 2011
edited by mrdestr
Maybe we should split this trope into two: one for reasonable objections to "objectionable" content, and one for extremists? Maybe a new trope for people who wish to censor or do whatever to "offensive" content because of some objectively reasonable issue, and keep Moral Guardians for people who wish to censor or do whatever to "offensive" content because OH MY GOD!!! DON'T LOOK AT IIIT!!!

One thing's certain, anything that falls under "Moral Guardian" is associated with mindless extremists trying to protect capable people from reality. The problem is when some legitimate reasons to restrict content end up here. Consider A Clockwork Orange (the book) . . . it shouldn't be read by grade schoolers. I can make a logical argument why, but this post is long enough as it is. Anyway, I don't think the book is bad or evil or whatever (it's one of my favorite books), just that grade schoolers shouldn't read it.

Thoughts?
Gr3mlinify
12:55:17 PM Feb 18th 2011
Creating separate categories may actually be a pretty good idea. The problem is that there will inevitably be YMMV problems regarding what exactly constitutes as "objectionable" or "acceptable".

As for the anonymous poster above; I understand your concern, but there is definitely a difference between implied sexual activity (or in some cases, something misinterpreted as innuendo) and an explicit "sex-fest". There is difference between saying the words "suck" or "shut-up" and stronger words more deserving of an R-rating. Just as 1984 (book), Catcher in the Rye (book), and vast others were threatened to be censored or removed from the public due to their "impression on the public/or youth"; we hope that by keeping track of the vast missteps of censorship, we can become a more mature, educated society that understands the difference between using the "think of the children" argument, and a work of literature or film that deserves to be analyzed in its own context.

mrdestr
12:30:29 PM Mar 20th 2011
True. It just seems like this trope has become a license to whine about censorship to the point of being a "bad" trope, which is a problem. Two parts probably wouldn't work, but maybe a three part split is the answer: something along the lines of a Moral Captain Obvious ("A Clockwork Orange has too much rape to be read by grade schoolers"), something like a Moral Templar ("A Catcher in the Rye has f-bombs! It must not be read!"), and a nice big YMMV section. A lot of examples that are already here would fit easily into one of the two extremes, or just drop out.

And to clarify, I'm not saying to look at the books/video games/movies/etc. to see if they're "objectionable" or "acceptable" (it's not my place to do that), but that we look at the Moral Guardian reactions/overreactions to see if they're justifiable or not.

I'm interested in seeing how the "in universe"/"in real life" split works, though.
VampireYoshi
12:38:04 AM Jan 7th 2013
The page could do with a comment regarding Politics Ensuing for two sets of moral guardians vociferously opposing what each other advocate.
jkcrat1
09:52:29 AM Dec 21st 2013
Regarding the section ending with "upper male nudity", this arguably says more about society's standards for nudity between the sexes than it does about the insanity of his system, which appears logically consistent. I'd like some reference to this to be made, if you deem it neutral enough.
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