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Main Moe Discussion
Irothtin: This article
attempts to give Moe a fairly concrete definition. Thoughts?
attempts to give Moe a fairly concrete definition. Thoughts?
Are we in danger of a Just A Face And A Caption issue? I have no idea what that caption is talking about. It just looks like any anime girl with glasses.
"Also, despite general belief that moe females are more tolerated, often the "bad traits" that make moe girls "offensive", "sexist" and "bad role models" are somehow seen as "cute, squishy and adorable" in boys."
This sentence bugs me. The people that like moe boys are usually too busy fangirling to care one bit about whether moe girls are bad role models. It's not really a double standard if the two different standards are held by two different groups.
How about a less exploitative scene for the pic, Unfortunate Implications and all? Not all Moe characters are (reduced to) moeblobs.
Is there a trope to describe the opposite of a moe character? Not so much the "weakness turns her on" trope. Think more along these lines— if Moe characters are meant to be attractive because they are cute and helpless, thus instilling in the viewer a desire to be protective of said character, the opposite as far as "fanservice characters" go would be a female who is meant to be someone more nurturing and take charge, who makes the male feel like the character is someone who will take care of them rather than the other way around?
EDIT: Fixing up my misguided view
This definition of Moe seems to fail to realize that 'cute' is not a defining characteristic of all Moe. Its certainly the most common, but a brutalized, scarred little girl can easily invoke the Big Brother instinct which pretty much defines Moe.
Do the examples have any clear pattern other than "female character someone happens to find cute"? This is a good example I pulled from the main page that illustrates my problem with how the trope is currently set up:
- Chihiro/Sen in Hayao Miyazaki's Spirited Away.
- While on the topic of Miyazaki, Markl in Howls Moving Castle is kind of moey.
- Um, no. Miyazaki is actually strongly opposed to moe
. Simply having endearing characters in one's works does NOT necessarily make them moe.
- Miyazaki may be well-known for his opposition to the sexual elements of moe, but that doesn't mean his characters don't sometimes come off looking that way. Call it Author Appeal if you want. Or Only Six Faces.
- Um, no. Miyazaki is actually strongly opposed to moe
- While on the topic of Miyazaki, Markl in Howls Moving Castle is kind of moey.
Ok, now what's with most of the real life examples getting moved over to Troper Tales?
Why does this trope get so much flack? A character can be a total moe-blob and still be able to hold their own when they need to (Badass Adorable is a good example). Doesn't it just mean that a character gives off this sense of being innocent, cute and so lovable that you just want to scoop them up and keep them? Why does that automatically equal "bad role model" for girls? Sure, vulnerability is a factor, but how many of us can say we've never felt vulnerable in our lives?
Why was the picture replaced with moe/mo from Simpsons, but clicking on it still takes you to Haruhi Suzumiya? Was it a troll than changed the picture?