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Rahkshi500
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11:22:28 AM Jul 31st 2014
Okay, after reading this trope article here, I have to ask one thing. Is there a way to write a relationship between an Asian woman and a Western man in way that doesn't make it racist/sexist? And please don't reply to me with "Just treat them as people", okay? That line is very over-simplifying and ignores the cultural customs that people from different cultures have, so if anyone wants to reply, it would be much more helpful if they were more detailed and specific.

For example, say if the woman in question was a Yamato Nadeshiko, or at least displays common traits associated with a Yamato Nadeshiko, would downplaying those aspects a bit not make it a case of Unfortunate Implications? Like, she does sometimes set her own personal goals and wishes above her partner, while at the same time not ignoring him either. She may also have her own problems that she would have to sort out herself or have the support of her partner with her(remember, important part of relationships mean being able to support your partner in rough times) without him overstepping his boundaries, while the man in question doesn't take advantage of her and does respect her for who she is. Can something like this potentially work? Are there other ideas and/or suggestions that can help as well?
SeptimusHeap
moderator
11:36:48 AM Jul 31st 2014
Well, one way not to write relationships as sexist or racist is by not using racist/sexist stereotypes.

I'll freely admit that this is not my area of expertise. You migth want to ask in the forums.
MasoTey
topic
08:25:48 PM Jun 11th 2013
Both entries under "Professional Wrestling" have been commented out, meaning that when the folders are opened that folder appears empty. I just wanted to check if there was a reason for this before changing anything.
SeptimusHeap
moderator
topic
08:00:44 AM Apr 6th 2013
edited by SeptimusHeap
hyp3210n
09:14:43 AM Apr 28th 2013
I was wondering why it changed.
ergeis
topic
02:33:15 AM Jul 22nd 2012
I think removal of the Real Life examples might be necessary. Seeing that Matzo Fever heavily discourages Real Life examples just makes this look like a double standard. Unless I'm missing something.
ergeis
02:36:38 AM Jul 22nd 2012
Or allow examples into Matzo Fever, whichever is more fair.
BlackSol
topic
08:07:22 AM Apr 5th 2012
Now that the races are specified in the trope, would the unfortunately uncommon instances of Black guys with Asian girls still count as this trope, or should a new trope created for it?

Black guys like Asian girls too, you know...
terry78
11:23:12 AM Apr 13th 2012
Yeah, and I am one of them, currently dating a Korean chick. Unfortunately we're so few and far between compared to our white guy brothers in that area, the trope would almost be redundant.
Severen
01:01:38 PM Jun 3rd 2012
Cheer up guys, it's catching on. Did no one see the Karate Kid remake?
GenericGuy
topic
10:48:45 AM Jan 14th 2012
edited by GenericGuy
I just read the page, and it seems that nearly half the list is aversions or gender inversions, should those be removed, or is this a entire page a dead horse trope, or prehaps changing the trope name into gender non-specific?
Xzenu
02:37:28 PM Jan 14th 2012
I have been thinking about that maybe we should give the gender inversions a soft split. Gay and lesbian examples, if any, should go in that category as well.

As for aversions, hmm, maybe some should be pruned, I'll look into it.

Dead Horse Trope? Hopefully moving in that direction, as society becomes less bigoted.
Xzenu
02:49:32 PM Jan 14th 2012
Okay, checked the aversions now.

  • Most oft them was legitimate cases where one character want this trope to happen but it doesn't.
  • One was a Discussed Trope example, I added that flag.
  • Two was simply Not an Example, the trope was "averted" by simply not being a part of the film/show. I removed them.
  • One was blatant misuse caused by the extremely racist overtones the trope once had: A straight example was counted as an aversion, simply on the basis that the troper liked the character. The claim of aversion was based on arguing that the character was not an Extreme Doormat - never mind that the later has never been a requirement for the trope. I changed this one to straight example and removed the natter.
Dragonmouth
10:13:46 PM Feb 18th 2012
The gender-inverted examples are very few and are, for the most part, minor one-shot romances.
Cuthbert
08:09:21 AM Apr 26th 2013
In exactly what way is this a dead horse trope? Dead Horse as in attitudes towards this coupling have become more positive, which I agree with. Or Dead Horse as in you will see as much of the opposite coupling, which I strongly disagree with. I am in support of deleting gender inverted tropes.
Stoogebie
topic
09:16:07 PM Oct 19th 2011
What was wrong with the previous trope title? Y U No like trope name?
Xzenu
12:42:50 AM Oct 20th 2011
The old title:
  • is a pre-existing racist/sexist slur, used in real life to send the message that all asian women are whores. Alternatively that all asian women have a special duty to be modest, silent, and keep themselves away from all men who are not asian - I have heard asian men use this slur against asian women.
  • is a famous quote from a famous movie - however, the trope is about relationships while the quote is about street prostitution and has nothing to do with love.
  • made some troper have an outburst about how this trope made him feel as if this site was stormfront or some other white supremacist site.
Sukeban
05:27:04 AM Dec 15th 2011
It *is* a racist, sexist trope after all. I'd have liked it to keep the old trope name for its self-demonstrativeness.
Xzenu
12:46:22 PM Dec 15th 2011
The trope is not inherently racist or sexist, although it can be used in a racist and/or sexist way. If some examples are written in a unnecessarily racist or sexist way, those examples should be updated.

Also, the old title never demonstrated the trope. The trope has always been about relationships between Asian women and white men. The old title is a racist and sexist slur about prostitution, indicating that Asian women are whores. Thus indirectly indicating that Asian women are the property of Asian men and that any Asian woman who dare gang out with the "wrong" man is a Race Traitor. To my knowledge, the trope has never openly made any such claims, although the trope description once upon a time totally reeked of that attitude.

Tropes about racism and sexism is one thing. Tropes with indirect racist and sexist propaganda that's not part of the actual trope, now, that's something entirely different.
Xzenu
03:23:49 PM Dec 15th 2011
Fixing some more wicks mow. Seriously, I can't believe how revolting the old system was. Lots of the wicks are simply potholes made whenever an Asian woman (real life or otherwise) is in a relationship with a western man. So far so good: That's what the trope is, and always has been. However, the page potholed was called "Me love you long time", that classic reference to Asian women being cheap whores. :-(

Seriously... What if someone made a "trope" that is female character, period and named it All Women Are Worthless Bitches Who Should Be Raped? Then everyone could rightly add that trope name whenever a work contain a female character. Only relevant difference is that such a trope would be undeniably People Sit on Chairs while this one is a borderline case. Or... what if someone made a Wheres Da White Women At redirect called Nigger Lovin Race Traitor Bitches and started potholing every white female character in a relationship with a black man? Same racism, same sexism.

Asians are people too. :-(
Stoogebie
07:40:23 PM Dec 24th 2011
Oh...my bad.
Cosman246
08:45:09 PM Mar 1st 2012
This trope was designed for racist and/or sexist Unfortunate Implications—not innocuous examples. Otherwise, it would be People Sit on Chairs.
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