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Trope was made In Universe Examples Only per this thread.

So, we have a folder for acting now. Personally, I don't think that Jerkass characters that are close to or completely irredeemable are the "best" roles of (x), but that's not the main reason why I'm here.

Because of that folder's existence, I added Rick Moranis to the list. I think his best role would either be Bob McKenzie or Seymour Krelborn, although Louis Tully and Wayne Szalinski are possible contenders. But the only role that got Rick an award was Nathan Huffner, yet I still stand firm on either Bob or Seymour being his best role(s).

I'm deleting that One-Hit Wonder remark about Melville because it's just not true. Before Melville wrote Moby Dick he also wrote Typee and Omoo, which were really popular when they came out. Not to mention Billy Budd (which has an article on this wiki), Bartleby the Scrivener (bartleby.com is named after it) and The Confidence Man (again, also has an article). You see where I'm going with this.

The problem with Bach`s toccata and fugue in d minor, is simply that it may not be written by Bach at all. Or - it was rewritten for organ by another, possibly originating as a piece for solo violin. But even so, the work is too short, even for a Bach fugue, to be listed here. Probably better to put it on the hitlist and known ditties. Compared to other organ works of Bach, like the greater fugue in G minor, it just doesn`t fit as a magnum opus at all.

I fail to see how The Social Network is Fincher's best reviewed movie yet in here it is implied that his Magnum Opus are supposed to be Se7en or Fight Club (neither of which even cracks his top three in Rotten Tomatoes). I quote the main page itself:

"4) Merely listing a work as a magnum opus, because you happen to like it, despite everyone else disliking it or not rating it that high is a totally different discussion and should not be held here. Even if your own personal circle of friends or a group of Internet forum contributors like it: this still doesn't prove its status as a magnum opus. Consult encyclopaedias, art critics, professional reviews, documentaries or check the popularity of a certain work among the general public, despite it already being decades or even centuries old."

Well, among critics and professional reviews, it is indisputable that Fincher's is what has been called "the Citizen Kane of the 21st century", at least so far. I propose Fincher's entry to be changed to something like: "among film critics and academics, the Social Network is Fincher's best esteemed movie, although Se7en and Fight Club might have more resonance in pop culture."

I don't think the 7th Generation of gaming should be considered a Magnum Opus. While gaming did become mainstream during that time and there were some gems, many of the problems with the current gaming industry started during that time. DLC, microtransactions, and forced multiplayer became common; the quality of a lot of the games during that time was probably the worst since the original NES, with many games being rushed out the door then patched later; Japanese games pretty much vanished outside of the Wii, a few on the PS 3, and handhelds, and many of them lost their charm as they changed to try going after Western audiences; gritty dark realistic games, especially shooters, oversaturated the gaming industry thanks to the success of Call of Duty, and killed other genres like survival horror and 3D platformers; publishers like Activision and EA started pushing shady business practices with other companies falling suit; and many of the great companies from previous generations of gaming either shut down (THQ, Clover, etc.) or their games declined in quality as they started going after the Call of Duty crowd (Capcom, Konami, etc.).

I have been talking with Tom Ruegger about what work he considered his masterpiece and the one he chose was Animaniacs: https://www.facebook.com/tom.ruegger.7/posts/10152179810312354?comment_id=31733670&offset=0&total_comments=1&ref=notif¬if_t=feed_comment

There has been quite a debate as to what is Warner Bros' magnum opus and one that I think people would agree on is Looney Tunes/Merry Melodies since not only has the franchise left a lasting impression/impact on the animation industry but has entertained many people for many decades long after the original creators' deaths.

But then we reach the 1990s where there have been quite a few contenders from Warner Bros. Animation (collaborations between WB and Steven Spielberg or just WBA) like Animaniacs, Pinky and the Brain, Tiny Toon Adventures and even Freakazoid.

Do you think The Man In The High Castle is worth mentioning as a contender for Philip K. Dick's magnum opus?

Maybe we should add a page that somewhat invertes this trope, unless it's there.

Should an item qualify for 'Magnum Opus' status if it's pretty much the only thing they've done? J K Rowling and Harry Potter for instance (unless she's since written something new I haven't heard of, and I would imagine anything she writes would be promoted pretty heavily).

harry botter and the methods of rationality by less wrong, the most reviewed fanfic on the entirety of fanfic.net and is a 77 chapter masterpiece of entertainment.

(sigh) So, someone recently added a My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic example. How surprising. Personally, I'd disagree with such a hasty assessment; we should wait a few years at least, especially since Lauren Faust still has a couple of future projects.

Personally, I believe that a work warrants listing on this page only if it's clear that 1) it will have a lasting impact and 2) the creator isn't likely to create anything more magnificent any time soon (usually becuase they're dead or retired.) If the creator specifically has some ambitious projects for the future, it's even more of a reason to hold your horses when it comes to picking their timeless masterpiece.

Does anyone think Butch Hartman's Danny Phantom should count?

Shouldn't this be a YMMV trope?

• The seminal Super Mario Bros and The Legend Of Zelda for Shigeru Miyamoto.
  • The first 3D games in those series are more commonly regarded as this, particularly Super Mario 64 and Ocarina Of Time.
  • And on the 2D front, there's A Link To The Past and especially Super Mario Bros 3.

Is this necessary? And really this hotly debated? Much as I do like Mario.

We've got two Hayao Miyazaki examples. I expect it'll cause a flame war should I delete one and not the other, so I'll leave it to his fans.

Wouldn't Michaelangelo's Sistine Chapel paintings qualify over David?

I'd like to start getting this trope back to the original deffinition of "great work" and away from what I'm afraid it's gotten Flanderized into, which is "greatest work of any given creator" (I deserve some of the blame for this). The music section in particular is very long, and I'd like to make sure that all the examples there and on the rest of the page are actually considered masterpieces, as apposed to "my favorite band's best album." Considering I'm not familiar with most of the examples there, could I get some confirmation as to exactly how good and/or critically acclaimed some of the albums are, and some help weeding out any examples that don't meet the cut? I know music is very subjective, and a masterpiece to one person may just be loud noise to another, but there has to be some kind of standard for the examples listed on this page.