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CabbitGirlEmi
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10:54:33 AM Jan 30th 2015
So, we have a folder for acting now. Personally, I don't think that Jerk Ass characters that are close to or completely irredeemable are the "best" roles of (x), but that's not the main reason why I'm here.

Because of that folder's existence, I added Rick Moranis to the list. I think his best role would either be Bob McKenzie or Seymour Krelborn, although Louis Tully and Wayne Szalinski are possible contenders. But the only role that got Rick an award was Nathan Huffner, yet I still stand firm on either Bob or Seymour being his best role(s).
Eilevgmyhren
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10:32:38 AM Nov 30th 2014
edited by 46.212.27.12
The problem with Bach`s toccata and fugue in d minor, is simply that it may not be written by Bach at all. Or - it was rewritten for organ by another, possibly originating as a piece for solo violin. But even so, the work is too short, even for a Bach fugue, to be listed here. Probably better to put it on the hitlist and known ditties. Compared to other organ works of Bach, like the greater fugue in G minor, it just doesn`t fit as a magnum opus at all.
phylos
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05:00:55 PM Oct 5th 2014
edited by 190.146.14.17
I fail to see how The Social Network is Fincher's best reviewed movie yet in here it is implied that his Magnum Opus are supposed to be Se7en or Fight Club (neither of which even cracks his top three in Rotten Tomatoes). I quote the main page itself:

"4) Merely listing a work as a magnum opus, because you happen to like it, despite everyone else disliking it or not rating it that high is a totally different discussion and should not be held here. Even if your own personal circle of friends or a group of Internet forum contributors like it: this still doesn't prove its status as a magnum opus. Consult encyclopaedias, art critics, professional reviews, documentaries or check the popularity of a certain work among the general public, despite it already being decades or even centuries old."

Well, among critics and professional reviews, it is indisputable that Fincher's is what has been called "the Citizen Kane of the 21st century", at least so far. I propose Fincher's entry to be changed to something like: "among film critics and academics, the Social Network is Fincher's best esteemed movie, although Se7en and Fight Club might have more resonance in pop culture."
Bat178
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08:38:17 AM Jul 16th 2014
edited by 178.208.203.150
I don't think the 7th Generation of gaming should be considered a Magnum Opus. While gaming did become mainstream during that time and there were some gems, many of the problems with the current gaming industry started during that time. DLC, microtransactions, and forced multiplayer became common; the quality of a lot of the games during that time was probably the worst since the original NES, with many games being rushed out the door then patched later; Japanese games pretty much vanished outside of the Wii, a few on the PS3, and handhelds, and many of them lost their charm as they changed to try going after Western audiences; gritty dark realistic games, especially shooters, oversaturated the gaming industry thanks to the success of Call of Duty, and killed other genres like survival horror and 3D platformers; publishers like Activision and EA started pushing shady business practices with other companies falling suit; and many of the great companies from previous generations of gaming either shut down (THQ, Clover, etc.) or their games declined in quality as they started going after the Call of Duty crowd (Capcom, Konami, etc.).
Larkmarn
08:40:58 AM Jul 16th 2014
Is anyone saying that it is?

Really, I don't think any generation should get an entry. It's really shoehorn-y.
LogoP
08:43:44 AM Jul 16th 2014
edited by 79.103.139.116
Those are pretty stong opinions which, personally, i haven't heard be spoken outside a very Vocal Minority. Got any facts to back them up?

Nevertheless , it's too early to call this generation a "magnum opus".
MyFinalEdits
09:07:18 AM Jul 16th 2014
"Generation" examples aren't valid since they don't have creators. They're just periods of time.
SeptimusHeap
11:15:36 AM Jul 16th 2014
A videogame generation is not a work, persay, so it doesn't belong here.
warner14
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02:05:23 AM Jan 4th 2014
edited by 101.174.186.54
I have been talking with Tom Ruegger about what work he considered his masterpiece and the one he chose was Animaniacs: https://www.facebook.com/tom.ruegger.7/posts/10152179810312354?comment_id=31733670&offset=0&total_comments=1&ref=notif¬if_t=feed_comment

There has been quite a debate as to what is Warner Bros' magnum opus and one that I think people would agree on is Looney Tunes/Merry Melodies since not only has the franchise left a lasting impression/impact on the animation industry but has entertained many people for many decades long after the original creators' deaths.

But then we reach the 1990s where there have been quite a few contenders from Warner Bros. Animation (collaborations between WB and Steven Spielberg or just WBA) like Animaniacs, Pinky and the Brain, Tiny Toon Adventures and even Freakazoid.
MrZAP
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08:39:08 AM Oct 28th 2012
Do you think The Man in the High Castle is worth mentioning as a contender for Philip K. Dick's magnum opus?
TheNewPlague
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07:05:52 PM Jun 27th 2012
Maybe we should add a page that somewhat invertes this trope, unless it's there.
compwiz64
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08:37:42 AM Oct 28th 2011
harry botter and the methods of rationality by less wrong, the most reviewed fanfic on the entirety of fanfic.net and is a 77 chapter masterpiece of entertainment.
Korodzik
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12:36:05 PM Oct 5th 2011
edited by Korodzik
(sigh) So, someone recently added a My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic example. How surprising. Personally, I'd disagree with such a hasty assessment; we should wait a few years at least, especially since Lauren Faust still has a couple of future projects.

Personally, I believe that a work warrants listing on this page only if it's clear that 1) it will have a lasting impact and 2) the creator isn't likely to create anything more magnificent any time soon (usually becuase they're dead or retired.) If the creator specifically has some ambitious projects for the future, it's even more of a reason to hold your horses when it comes to picking their timeless masterpiece.
Eddy1215
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08:43:21 PM Sep 17th 2011
edited by Eddy1215
Does anyone think Butch Hartman's Danny Phantom should count?
azul120
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10:58:37 PM Aug 23rd 2011
Shouldn't this be a YMMV trope?
MasterTMO
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12:05:54 PM Jun 3rd 2011
Should an item qualify for 'Magnum Opus' status if it's pretty much the only thing they've done? J K Rowling and Harry Potter for instance (unless she's since written something new I haven't heard of, and I would imagine anything she writes would be promoted pretty heavily).
DoktorvonEurotrash
10:26:20 AM Dec 29th 2011
Fully agree with this.
OldManHoOh
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04:39:36 AM Dec 25th 2010

Is this necessary? And really this hotly debated? Much as I do like Mario.
Wanderer255
05:40:10 PM Feb 18th 2011
Even on the 2D front there is some debate over whether Super Mario Bros. 3 or Super Mario World is the superior game. Miyamoto himself has gone on record in saying "World" is the best Mario game he made.
starshine
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11:29:26 AM Jul 6th 2010
We've got two Hayao Miyazaki examples. I expect it'll cause a flame war should I delete one and not the other, so I'll leave it to his fans.
batfan
07:30:48 PM Dec 1st 2010
edited by batfan
Most examples actually have at least two options, which is in itself helps prevent flame wars by acknowledging that there is often debate about these things. Any dissent, flaming, or picking one over the other I usually either delete outright or send over to the Troper Tales page, which I created for the expressed purpose of offering a proper forum for such debates.
batfan
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10:22:43 PM Jul 2nd 2010
I'd like to start getting this trope back to the original deffinition of "great work" and away from what I'm afraid it's gotten Flanderized into, which is "greatest work of any given creator" (I deserve some of the blame for this). The music section in particular is very long, and I'd like to make sure that all the examples there and on the rest of the page are actually considered masterpieces, as apposed to "my favorite band's best album." Considering I'm not familiar with most of the examples there, could I get some confirmation as to exactly how good and/or critically acclaimed some of the albums are, and some help weeding out any examples that don't meet the cut? I know music is very subjective, and a masterpiece to one person may just be loud noise to another, but there has to be some kind of standard for the examples listed on this page.
38.117.82.181
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08:22:20 AM Jun 17th 2010
Wouldn't Michaelangelo's Sistine Chapel paintings qualify over David?
batfan
10:27:54 PM Jul 2nd 2010
edited by batfan
Possibly, but Michaelangelo's David is specifically mentioned on The Other Wiki's "Masterpiece" page, along with Da Vinci's Mona Lisa and Beethoven's Ninth. Part of the barrometer I try to use for this trope is public recognition and consensus, and when most people think of Michaelangelo (when they aren't thinking of the Ninja Turtle), the next thing they tend to think of is David. I know I do at least.
Nobody
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06:26:45 PM Apr 11th 2010
I'm deleting that One-Hit Wonder remark about Melville because it's just not true. Before Melville wrote Moby-Dick he also wrote Typee and Omoo, which were really popular when they came out. Not to mention Billy Budd (which has an article on this wiki), Bartleby the Scrivener (bartleby.com is named after it) and The Confidence Man (again, also has an article). You see where I'm going with this.
batfan
05:56:38 AM Apr 19th 2010
Thanks, Nobody. That comment was a carry-over from the YKTTW discussion, when this trope was still being confused for One-Hit Wonder.
dexterian120
07:07:14 AM Jan 28th 2015
edited by dexterian120
Hey...I want to add an album from a (black) metal band, should I add it to the current pop music folder and rename it, or make a new one for other genres?

Update: Okay, there are a shitload of metal albums in there. What should we do?