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zarpaulus Since: Jan, 2001
Apr 30th 2018 at 6:14:21 PM •••

Okay, so why replace the page quote from the trope namer with one from Goethe?

illegalcheese X-14: Killer Cheese Since: Apr, 2010
X-14: Killer Cheese
Dec 27th 2012 at 9:14:16 PM •••

In what way does the page image adequately illustrate the trope? It states the exact opposite of the trope title and that's it. No irony, no joke, no other relevance.

Given the link in the caption, this smells suspiciously like someone shoehorning some advertising to me.

VinceG Since: May, 2011
Jun 7th 2012 at 11:37:12 AM •••

As far as this particular trope goes, whether or not The Prince is a satire is immaterial because Machiavelli makes very similar claims in his Discourses, which is most certainly not a satire (the academic consensus seems to have shifted against the Prince being a satire anyway — it's very difficult to explain several key passages of the book if it is).

Cambdoranononononono Since: Jan, 2001
Apr 3rd 2010 at 1:04:27 AM •••

Are the tangents about misusing the trope and Did Not Do The Research meant to be aimed at the authors of the works listed in the examples? Because they generally don't seem to be trying to specifically refute Machiavelli's philosophy; that connection is an invention of the trope description. Most of these are just: The villain is a dick. The hero isn't. Therefore, the hero has more loyal subordinates. That people might incorrectly take this to refute Machiavelli doesn't really reflect on the author.

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63.95.218.254 Since: Dec, 1969
Apr 15th 2010 at 12:13:02 PM •••

In that case, we should probably change the name, since the trope description itself basically admits that the name is non-indicative and makes a faulty comparison.

SomeGuy Since: Jan, 2001
Apr 15th 2010 at 12:18:31 PM •••

I made a crowner.

See you in the discussion pages.
Glixinator Since: Feb, 2011
Jun 5th 2011 at 9:31:15 AM •••

Since all the examples seem to have the villinous character either not realizing they are invocing hatred through their rule through fear, or not planning against love being used against them as Machiavelli warned, perhaps this Tropes name should be You Fail Machiavelli Forever?

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