Main Light Feminine And Dark Feminine Discussion

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10:24:57 PM Nov 18th 2014
The Panty and Stocking example is wrong. While Panty is blonde and wears more color and Stocking is a gothic lolita, Panty is more vampy than the childish Stocking. Panty is lustful and more aggressive while panty prefers candies over boys.
08:56:29 PM Feb 23rd 2014

Removed from the article — it had spoiler-tagging for Puella Magi Madoka Magica (and it violated Handling Spoilers, btw).

  • Puella Magi Madoka Magica:
    • Homura Akemi embodies both sides. She starts as "Light" as she's a shy, clumsy and kind Meganekko, then switches to Dark as she reinvents herself as a Broken Bird Dark Magical Girl.
    • For Madoka, it's Mami (Light) vs. Homura (Dark). For Mami, it's Madoka (Light) vs. Kyouko (Dark). For Yuma, it's Mami (Light) vs. Kyouko (Dark).

The first example seems like shoe-horning. It's a trope for two characters, not just one character who has two sides or a split personality.

The second bullet has Example Indentation all over the place and it's confusing to people who don't watch the show. Are they a trio of characters? If yes, then it's shoe-horning. Are there three relationship contrasts? What are the women/girls relationships, anyway? Plus they are all Zero Context Examples.
12:19:36 PM Nov 17th 2011
I feel like we should be making the distinction that the Light/Dark Feminine are intended to contrast with one another—that is, they are obvious foils for one another. Merely having a light feminine type and a dark feminine type together in a canon means little if there are all kinds of female archetypes in that canon. Hence, the Sailor Moon example, and others, bother me because there are other female archetypes in the work and the two represented there aren't intended to form a contrast. If there's no deliberate contrast, we just have a Femme Fatale and a Purity Sue who happen to occupy a canon together.

For example, compare Red Oni, Blue Oni: There we list that a Red Oni is more passionate and a Blue Oni is more introverted, but we imply that the trope is useless if the two characters aren't playing these traits off one another.

Does anyone want to take the definition to the repair shop? I'm not experienced enough to even pretend to do it right!
09:18:26 PM Dec 1st 2011
There's a Trope Talk thread here about some of the issues. Post there. I think it needs to go to TRS as well personally (as the masculine version already has).
02:17:37 PM Nov 4th 2011
edited by atheywa
I like this trope, basically a character who's wholesome verses one who's promiscuous. My question is if there is one character who is sexually reserved but otherwise sassy and one who easy to get to have sex with but sweet, is their sexuality what counts, being reserved/light and easy/dark? Also I don't think being "meek and timid" is enough to count for "light" unless she's glad she's wholesome and wants to stay that way.
07:35:08 PM Dec 2nd 2011
edited by Stoogebie
My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic has this trope, with Fluttershy (sweet, painfully shy moe with a Cuteness Proximity) and Rarity (more outgoing fashionista and Badass Damsel). Neither gives any bearing to sexual availability (and thank God - I mean, it's a kid's show!...about ponies!). So no, this trope isn't light=reserved and dark=easy. I honestly don't know what happened to the original page article, but someone changed it.
09:50:03 PM Jan 21st 2012
So what's the difference between this and Betty and Veronica? Light Masculine and Dark Masculine has been changed to Noble Male, Roguish Male which explains it much better. Is that what this is?
08:57:44 PM Nov 3rd 2011
Terrible page image, am not familiar with the work so it tells me nothing about the trope.
09:04:15 PM Nov 3rd 2011
Perhaps the "Sugar & Spice" analogy will work better. Or the Batman Forever personifications:

09:04:20 PM Nov 3rd 2011
Well, you can start an Image Pickn' thread for it. Also, I agree it shows nothing about the trope.
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