Main Katanas Are Justbetter Discussion

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05:08:45 PM Jun 10th 2017
Can we consider changing the main quote? Lindybeige really isn't a katana expert, and the quote kind of commits the Every Japanese Sword Is a Katana fallacy while ignoring the evolution of the Japanese sword's construction over time. It isn't good to present a source like that which may be mistaken as correct information; much better to have a quote exemplifying the obviously exaggerated nature of fictional katana.
03:49:43 PM May 9th 2014
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So, I made an edit discussing an example given that I felt was poor. And the very next morning someone cleared the edit and rewrote the original example to basically say the same thing I was trying to give a counterpoint to. I'd ask to move this to a YMMV subpage, but there isn't one for this article.

Under videogames, the example of Final Fantasy Tactics; The Samurai is a harder class to access, and has unique mystical powers that are... worthless AS a samurai, and have a strong probability of destroying the Katana used. Also the Knight's equipment breaking attacks are far, far more useful (especially because it's compatible with ranged weapons). Katana underperform compared to Knight Swords, and aren't noticeably better than late game regular Swords either. The other late-game Asian themed class, the Ninja can use them as a strong throwing weapon, but they are then lost forever.

Long story short, everything about the gameplay of FFT seems to de-emphasize katana because the best uses involve getting rid of them. And there's a whole slew of variant Knight classes for special characters that have vastly superior mystic skills which require western swords to be equipped, so even from a watsonian stand-point they really aren't anything special. Not only does it fail to demonstrate the trope in question, I strongly feel that this is a subverted trope example, if anything.

I don't want to come across as a single-issue wonk or start an editing war, so I'm just going to leave this argument here and let someone else decide what should be done about it.
04:07:39 PM May 9th 2014
If you feel that the samurai is not an example of the trope, you can go ahead remove it. Remember: Repair, Don't Respond.
04:51:48 PM May 9th 2014
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Oh, cool. I didn't want to step on any toes, but since you made the second edit and you're okay with it, I'll go ahead then. Thanks for the speedy response, wasn't expecting anyone to reply so soon.
09:54:55 PM Oct 15th 2012
Would the Highlander franchise really be considered a straight example of this? I mean, despite being a major player in the whole "katanas are cool" thing, I can't recall a single instance in either the films or those episodes of the TV show that I've seen in which katanas were shown to be inherently better than any other kind of sword. The Mc Leods never chopped through other people's weapons, and they won fights by skill or, occasionally, luck, rather than through any inherent superiority of their weapon.

(On the other hand, I've seen maybe two dozen episodes of the TV series. For all I know they spend the rest of the show chopping through walls and preaching about their superior weaponry)
05:28:37 PM Mar 22nd 2012
Permission to edit the Real Life section of the article (not the example entries). I saw a documentary once that shows how the Katana, while not generally better, is the best choice of sword because of its physical properties.
11:48:19 AM Oct 5th 2012
I've seen that documentary. It's bullshit.
12:18:18 PM Dec 19th 2012
i have to agree with scardoll katanas were not great for thier physical propeties all though they where strong because they were forge welded but a good sword would be a medieval falchion becasue you have thrusting power and you can still cut things like butter.

10:50:46 AM Mar 9th 2012
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Should halo 3 be mentioned here? The game features a purely aesthetic katana that players, if they achieve the right achievements, can attach to their characters' bodies.
09:46:13 AM Oct 25th 2012
No it shouldn't be here. The katana is purely aesthetic and therefore is not superior to any other weapon.
04:56:33 AM Sep 6th 2011
Bludgeon from Transformers uses one which surely comes under this given that he's probably the only TF to wield a katana when so many others have a variety of guns (and Bludgeon himself is capable of transforming into a tank). I'm just not sure where to put it though. He didn't appear in the cartoon as he was a later character. His original toy does not have the katana though his Marvel Comics appearances nearly always show him with one. The Revenge of the Fallen incarnation of Bludgeon's toy comes with two swords, one supposedly being his old katana (though the handle is his tank mode's gun barrel, a third party upgrade set which I own actually replaces this sword with a much more accurate katana, nicely chromed too) and he also has a short sword, the japanese name of which I always forget. Anyways which section should it be mentioned in? I would think most likely the comics section as his most prominent use of the sword happens in his Marvel Comics appearances but I wanted to be sure.
01:13:15 PM Aug 27th 2011
what ever happened to Mio Sakamoto from strike witches? id ad it my self but... im just too lazy...
08:28:07 PM Jun 23rd 2010
leonardo has twin katanas in all tmnt
06:22:02 PM Mar 21st 2017
that's what i thought too...
08:25:02 PM Jun 23rd 2010
setuna and tsuyomi has one in negima
08:23:45 PM Jun 23rd 2010
mokoto and her big sister in love hina has one!
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