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G02
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02:50:13 PM Sep 11th 2013
Can we give this guy a YMMV page so we can point out what a talentless, overpaid, unlikable, insane, idiotic, family hating hack this guy is without clogging up the main article?
VeryMelon
02:02:10 PM Sep 12th 2013
edited by 216.99.32.44
You could try Dethroning Moment of Suck or Wallbanger instead. Article is locked for a reason.
Nithael
01:39:35 AM Sep 13th 2013
Yeah, thanks for demonstrating precisely why this page is locked in the first place.
G02
05:01:49 AM Sep 13th 2013
There's already a wallbanger for OMD, and honestly I think he has too many D Mo S to even start listing them. Anyway, I thought the idea was that the main article was mainly informal and factual, while the YMMV page was for emotional issues or opinions. As much as I hate the guy, I have no intention of stating why I hate him as fact.
EchoingSilence
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07:22:26 PM Jul 29th 2013
So. Am I one of the only ones who doesn't get why he thinks MJ's and Peter's marriage is boring? I mean a story is a story, it's only boring if it's written boring. Happy or Sad, you can make a interesting story. I mean MJ's and Peter's happiness gave the world Spider-Girl. Which people seem to love if I remember correctly.
MrDeath
07:32:18 AM Jul 30th 2013
Actually, the vast, vast, vast majority of people disagreed with Quesada on it. By all accounts, he may be the only person on the planet who actually felt that way about the marriage.
EchoingSilence
02:12:07 PM Aug 1st 2013
I meant that people loved Spider Girl Mr Death. And they hated One More Day.

Honestly I actually want to read Spider girl.
MrDeath
08:43:20 AM Aug 2nd 2013
Well, yeah. Like I said, almost everybody disagreed with Joe Quesada's insistence that the marriage was bland and boring, and Spider-Girl is a well-liked character. Hell, even Quesada likes Spider-Girl.

So...I'm not sure what you're asking, then. You're not one of the "only ones," because you're basically in the vast majority of opinion on the matter.
EchoingSilence
01:21:15 PM Aug 6th 2013
Ah. Well then I messed up. I apologize.
Ronnie
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09:17:45 PM Apr 10th 2013
Page quote suggestion (from our One More Day page):

...I'm an idiot.
Ronnie
06:00:30 AM Apr 11th 2013
Secondarily, might I suggest a pothole to Refuge in Audacity on 'them kissing over Jean's grave.'?
QueenofSwords
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11:30:27 AM Mar 1st 2011
edited by QueenofSwords
Am I the only one who thinks it's sick that Joe Quesada named Peter Parker's new love interest after his daughter? He seems to be crossing the creeper line into Squick territory.
MrDeath
11:32:15 AM Mar 1st 2011
It's worse when you remember that Joe has a tendency to model Peter after himself when he does the illustrating for an issue.
QueenofSwords
11:59:26 AM Mar 1st 2011
edited by QueenofSwords
Joe Quesada's physical unattractiveness aside, ew. That's even more repulsive than I initially thought.
97.92.231.15
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01:07:06 AM Feb 6th 2011
edited by 97.92.231.15
Way late to this, but after stumbling across this page the other night I really do think it needs some kind of massive rewrite. Ir's basically a litany of fanrage, whether or not it's warranted or aimed at the proper target (the belief that an Editor in Chief literally goes over every single detail in a story and thus can be blamed for everything you dislike is pretty ridiculous!) but there's no mention of any of the positive things Quesada did in the past ten years. And then there's stuff like that wink-and-a-nod DON'T INVADE HIS TWITTER GUYS IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN that's just completely unnecessary. I'm not an editor or...heck, even registered but this just stuck out to me as a really bad page.
TimeTravelerJessica
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12:44:45 PM Dec 1st 2010
Am I the only Fantastic Four fan that says a little prayer every night that Quesada doesn't decide to make Sue and/or Reed "more interesting" by forcing some poor writer to kill one of them offl?
theclam5678
06:16:27 PM Dec 26th 2010
Dont worry his pathological hatred of wives falters when it comes to mothers
VandalHeartX
08:39:12 PM Aug 6th 2012
Evidence : One Moment in Time
FlyMonk
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10:21:41 AM May 6th 2010
just me or is this article overwhelmingly negative? someone reading this cold would think that he's some kind of megalomaniac and that all Marvel fans are against him which seems... reactionary and not backed up by sales.
98.83.37.231
07:52:40 PM May 21st 2010
I don't know anything about comic books, but I do understand that not many new kids are starting to read them nowadays, so if the fans hate him so much, how is it that sales are up? This whole page sounds fishy.

But like I said, I don't know anything about comic books, so I can't fix it myself.
ThatKidWithTheSideburns
08:33:59 PM Jul 24th 2010
Yes, sales are going up, but longtime fans of Marvel are being given the middle finger in the form of his insane decisions. I'm assuming that sales are going up because of the recent storm of movies sttracting the audience. Newer fans weren't thhere before Quesada's actions and thus don't see the real problem.
74.226.132.214
03:55:09 PM Jul 25th 2010
Sales aren't exactly up since the whole crash during the 90's but most of the stories Quesada has put his own "personal touch" on aren't doing as well as they have been. Ex: Every since the OMD disastor sales on spiderman have been lowering.
LUNI_TUNZ
09:22:23 PM Sep 1st 2010
The article needs an overhaul, it's full of Mis-blamed and Internet Backdraft.
Inferno232
09:39:34 AM Oct 4th 2010
Does it count if it's felt by the majority of readers in general? Pretty much all the comic examples on there are justified, give or take.

But there SHOULD be a list of well-accepted storylines the guy's done in his career. I mean, he became successful for a reason, right? Also, the bit about him giving Colbert Cap's shield is gone. Why was that taken out? I'm all for justified negativity, but there needs to be as much positive credit given to the guy as possible, too.

Also, the Atop the Fourth Wall quote just isn't as funny as the "retcon yourself" one.
SamMax
07:34:52 PM Oct 7th 2011
This article now has a more neutral stance on him. Whether a troper listened or simply felt compelled to do it, I do not know, but at the very least, the worst of the negativity is gone.
SSJMagus
05:39:21 PM May 5th 2012
LUNI_TUNZ: It can't be Misblamed when Quesada really is to blame.
HalfElfDragon
02:45:15 PM Jun 3rd 2012
I really feel that this page is far too negatively biased, myself.
Ingonyama
11:46:30 AM Jul 28th 2012
The man has a lot of hate, some of it very justified. That said, so does Chris Claremont, and no one denies he's a comic book icon.

So I'm for putting in some of the good things Quesada's done as well as the bad.
coolman229
05:22:08 PM Dec 4th 2012
It definitely should be fair. It's just that Quesadilla has done some terrible things like One More Day. And Ultimate Spider-Man. I'm all for fair but Quesadilla deserves some flak. I think that the page should list stuff that he wrote like those What The-! comics.
mdk74
03:49:05 PM Dec 28th 2012
History will judge him, and in the end, I think that he is going to be seen as a mediocre at best editor and creative director. That being said, his handling of Spider-Man was atrocious, and ran off a large number of fans. Heck, I no longer buy any comics because of the disaster that was OMD.

I mean seriously, look at what he did. And don't think for a second that it wasn't him. Heck, Straczynski came right and said that he didn't even want his name on the last issue.

So, what did Quesada have one of the flagship characters for Marvel do? Well, make a deal with the devil, or close enough to Marvel's version, to save his old aunt's life at the expense of his youngish marriage and any potential children that might have come from said marriage. Oh, and the backlash from that led him to say that it was a Faustian deal and that Peter would pay for it later. It is now almost six years later and still no repercussions.

Oh, and if that isn't enough. Then think about this. The marriage wasn't dissolved. There was no time travel to make it not happen. NO! What he did was make everyone forget that it happened. So, here is a real kicker. Just because one forgets that they are married doesn't mean that they aren't still married. Thus, he turned Peter and MJ into adulterers.

Yeah, he did a real bang up job on making one of the flagship "heroes" for Marvel send out a good message.

And why? Because he hates marriage? I tend to think this, but I don't have any proof. No, it was because marriage is boring. How does someone so devoid of any originality become a creative director?

That is why I really dislike Quesada, not as a person, but as an editor and creative director. He may have done some good things in the past, but now he has morally bankrupted one of Marvel's most well known heroes and doesn't seem to have a creative spark in his head. Heck, the only way he can keep sales up is through gimmicks like MEGA-crossovers every year and multiple releases of the same title every month. (It was no accident that right after OMD every title except Amazing was cancelled and Amazing was sold three times a month. That just meant that the sales numbers wouldn't slip as long as they didn't lose more than 2/3 of their previous readers.)
Shanethefilmmaker
06:48:30 PM Jan 16th 2013
Let's not forget now, that his way of "Making up for One More Day." Was to kill Peter Parker off and let Doc Ock Take over his body. And before there was even a slight chance of bringing Parker back, they Nu52 the entire Marvel Franchise so they can Compete with DC again. I'm with Linkara on this one, Quesada while good at making money, does not know squat about what makes good drama. He just wanted to assert his power over Marvel now that Stan The Man and Avi Arad are out of the picture. Why else would he base Spidey on himself and his Love Interest on his daughter. The guy was just some minority fan that would Jump at the chance of changing the story no matter how much it pissed off the Majority.
Gojirob
05:23:52 PM Aug 11th 2013
The Marvel approach under Quesada is akin to a farmer noticing that the seeds he keeps aside for planting and sowing his crops are tastier than other seeds, then eating those seeds and thereby having nothing to plant for harvest. Things like Peter's marriage and the Conners family were among the best story seeds Spider-Man had. The marriage got figuratively devoured, and Billy got literally devoured. Now the Lizard has guilt over this, in both forms, with Conners an emotional cripple? He was always that, and always had guilt. Norman squickily seduces Harry's wife? The reaction to Sins Past didn't tell them anything? Point being, this form of storytelling is unsustainable, same as that farmer eating his planting seeds.
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