Yeah, they sound pretty much the same. Do you know the difference?
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I know that a Jerk with a Heart Of Gold is also a nice guy/girl but what's the easier difference between the two tropes 'Nice Guy' and 'Jerk With A Heart Of Gold'.
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What kind of question is that?
A jerk with a heart of gold is someone who appears to be cold and ruthless but is a softy underneath. A nice guy appears to be a nice guy and is one all the way.
"Any Nice Guy have a complete heart of gold while the trope on this page tends to vary between this trope and the former trope."
What is this line in the main description trying to say? For me, at least, it reads awkwardly. I have no idea how to fix it, and I'd rather figure out the line's intent before doing so.
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Well, let us see it. I would suggest a picture of a character that is a jerk in one image, but a nice guy in another, to show their flaws and kindness.
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Jerkass with a Heart of Gold sounds like an exaggerated version of this even though it is the same as this
botuczy8000
Just as a thought, maybe we should include a note in the main Jerk with a Heart of Gold entry to reflect the fact that there actually seem to be a couple different flavors of this trope:
1: The version the trope's main entry refers to; basically, a {{Jerkass]] with Hidden Depths who has plenty of Pet the Dog moments.
2: A character who has No Social Skills or just a tendency to not think about the consequences of what they say and do, and thus acts like a Jerkass unintentionally.
What separates the two types is intention; a type 1 Jwa Ho G intends to be nasty to people, but has positive qualities to offset that. A type 2 usually doesn't even realize they're being a Jerkass until they've seriously hurt someone's feelings or gotten called out for it.
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I believe "Type 2" would be "Innocently Insensitive".
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I feel like the page image should be changed. Homer was being a jerk and was photoshopped to look like he was being nice- but that's not what the trope is about. A better example could be one image of Moe threatening someone above an image of him reading to orphans or something. :/
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Actually, it's the "I still love you!" part of the image that makes it illustrate the "Gold" part.
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Oh I see. Maybe we could put something in the image note to explain the 'I still love you' part.
An evil character, by definition can't have a heart of gold.
The fact that an evil character, do something good, won't becomes in a jerk with heart of gold.
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Evil characters by definition can't, but villains can.
Alternatively is the fact that the definition of "evil" isn't really set in stone.
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Pet the Dog would be an instance signifying that they're a Jerk with a Heart of Gold.
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heart of gold = Good Guy.
Evil guy + pet the dog = Evil guy
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I have a character who is both a deconstruction of this trope and an aversion or defiance of Jerk Sue. Sure, she's an asshole on the outside (in fact, she was basically introduced with a Bitch Alert in-story), but she's not given to the Fantastic Racism prevalent in the setting and loves to stand up for underdogs. However, she's considered a delinquent in her school, because she's a foul-mouthed, ill-tempered Blood Knight Obnoxious Snarker. I think (hope) the fact that she's quite humorous when it comes to being a notorious pyromaniac and gets the buttmonkey treatment from time to time, plus the fact that she's really (of course) a Broken Bird who has a ton of self-loathing and deals with her grief with a rather inappropriate coping mechanism.
Well, I sure as hell hope she doesn't turn out to be The Scrappy.
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"Given that this trope would still call Real Life people jerks, please do not add real life examples. "
We've gotta do something about the hugbox this Wiki is turning into.
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You'd rather it was constant arguing when people use tropes to call people they don't like names?
YMMV is here for a reason and, really, even then some will find it offense. There's an article out there that says we deleted every trope we have related to rape. That was incorrect. We deleted everything related to porn to avoid pandering. TV tropes isn't a hug box. If you want to say you don't like a person, you can even do it in discussion just watch your language and don't rant about it.
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Which episode of the Simpsons is that pic from?
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It isn't; you can see it's a bad photoshop as there's blurry lines that fill a Bart shaped silhouette on the background. There really should be a replacement image considering.
Actually, the "bad photoshop" was in fact used in an episode. The episode was titled Tis The Fifteenth Season. The one where Homer tries to replace Ned Flanders as the nicest guy in town.
Besides, it's been up for years now and nobody has complained, so replacing it would be just pointless.
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(Confused) It is the main page, not the real life page.
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Yeah, it looks like the person cutlisted the wrong page.
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No way this would be cut, even by someone not realizing the mistake—it has too many wicks and inbounds to touch.
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Really! The different title Jerk With A Heart of Gold sounds like Crouching Jerkass, Hidden Nice Guy.
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