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09:53:45 PM Jul 29th 2016
Removed these because of factual issues:
  • Code Geass
    • Three-quarters through season 1 when Suzaku is going to sacrifice himself to hold Lelouch/Zero in place for a massive missile strike, Lelouch whips out his Geass and commands Suzaku to 'live' thereby making a Heroic Sacrifice impossible. Exactly one season later in R2, while fighting (and losing to) Kallen the Geass activates causing Suzaku to fire the FLEIJA warhead, destroying most of Tokyo and supposedly killing Nunnally. ((Lelouch is aware of Suzaku's death wish at that point, and gives the order with that awareness. The order wasn't intended to stop the missiles, and the missiles were only aimed at them. It would be ironic if it caused Suzaku to kill himself in the FLEIJA, right after he finally got over his death wish, but that's not what happened)).
    • There are many indications that free will is the only thing Lelouch holds for inviolable. The deep irony is that his unique Geass power is able to turn any person into a will-less puppet for a while, and his forced reliance on it ends up gradually corrupting all the ideals that he started out with. (( What indications? Geass powers are based on the person's dearest wish... I know there's no such thing as notability here, but at the same time, how undeveloped a theory can you really base an example on? ))

I hid a few others that didn't look like irony. And Suzaku didn't start a war by killing his father, as one example said - if anything, he helped the war end sooner (e.g. with vanquished survivors as opposed to no survivors, which is what his father wanted).
07:50:17 AM Jan 17th 2015
I'm removing the following unless somebody can explain something I'm missing.
  • In X-Men: The Last Stand, the Juggernaut ending up being a bitch of someone he directly made an emphasis on.

It's poorly worded in the first place, and if you didn't know the meme you wouldn't know what it is saying. But if I'm reading it right, it's saying that it's ironic that Shadow Cat made Juggernaut her bitch after he called her a bitch. First of all, he didn't actually call her a bitch (the meme was referenced, but he just said "I'm the Juggernaut" without the word "bitch" at the end). More importantly though, being beaten by somebody you insulted is not irony, especially not because of some clever word choice that wasn't ever actually used in the movie.
02:27:39 PM Nov 17th 2015
While you're right about it not being irony, I'm not sure if you watched a censored version of the movie or something, but he literally says "Don't you know who I am? I'm the Juggernaut, bitch!" You can even look that exact scene from Last Stand on YouTube. He definitely calls her a bitch in the movie.
11:13:11 AM Oct 16th 2014
Does Michelle Fairley's casting in Resurrection count as ironic, considering how everyone expected he largest prior role to turn out yet it didn't?
11:19:41 AM Oct 16th 2014
... what?
06:51:41 AM Apr 27th 2014
Does it count when someone uses the existence of a TV Tropes page for marketing purposes, to argue that a work is notable?

12:35:02 PM Aug 21st 2013
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  • The first appearance of Captain America featured him punching out Hitler. Cap's secret identity, Steve Rogers, has blond hair, blue eyes, and after taking the Super Serum is a specimen that anyone would be happy to call ubermensch.
    • The origin of the Super Soldier Serum underwent some retconning in the 90s, which added an extra layer of irony: the scientist working on the serum was in fact a Nazi agent, using American resources to perfect the serum, and he was killed by a different spy who wasn't in on the charade. So a Nazi scientist actually created the ubermensch, who spent his career kicking fascist ass up and down the globe.

I'm sorry, but...I could just think of someone saying [[{{Pokémon}} "We dreamed of creating the world's strongest]] Ubermensh...and we succeeded,"
07:46:06 PM Aug 20th 2013
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So, if someone who's been on the receiving end of stalking through the use of Time Travel, and later, they have to recruit someone they have never met before, and essentially gives them The Call in a way that comes off as more than a little stalker-ish*, wouldn't that be irony? It's for a fanfic.
02:43:12 PM Aug 27th 2012
Pulled an "arguably" example from the main page. If someone familiar with the series can confirm whether it belongs or not, that would be good.

  • Dune Messiah is arguably a case of Tragic Irony combined with a character who knows what's going on. The introductions to the chapters reveal that Paul will die, soon, and the description of the book says the same. Paul himself realizes this partway through the book, and acts accordingly.
05:26:07 PM Aug 18th 2012
I dunno if this counts as irony, but a Vocaloid producer, famous for his horror songs, apparently likes movies, cute things, cool people, and toys and dislike bitter things, worms, and scary things. I am confused by how to use Irony because everyone uses wrong so much. Is this Irony or just something really weird?
04:12:52 PM Aug 11th 2012
edited by TrevMUN
This article's been collecting some Natter that doesn't belong here. Someone added a conversational bullet point to the Metallurgic definition even though it was meant to be a joke. Rather than delete it, though, I just reworded it to get rid of the appearance of an Accuracy Attack.

And the other things:

** Actually, in the novels he seemed annoyed with the man more than anything, and most likely referring to the guy's abilities when compared to those of Mithril soldiers rather than Sousuke or himself. Gates was created specifically for the anime, so the originally un-named, un-developed character in the books may have been somewhat different?

This one (couldn't tell who added it) was in response to the Full Metal Panic! example. As far as I could tell, this didn't provide anything to the table. If Gates is an anime-only character that had no name and no face time to speak of in the novels, why bother replying to the main example in an attempt to discredit it?

6th Aug '12 11:44:43 AM shawn_allen
Added line(s) 430 (click to see context) :
** Hate to nitpick this one, but Nixon wasn't impeached. Ok, he did resign before that could happen, but the only Presidents to be impeached were Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton.

Probably the most blatant Accuracy Attack of the bunch. Next time you see some factoid that's incorrect, shawn_allen, Repair, Don't Respond.
02:56:30 PM Jan 26th 2012
I don't agree with all the deletions Tropers/Yora did. The edit reason was "Removed some cases of people who just changed their mind."

Below are the examples I think should be restored:

  • In 1958 the then Minneapolis Lakers (now known as the Los Angeles Lakers) drafted Elgin Baylor, an acrobatic basketball prodigy with immense athleticism and scoring capabilities. For years Baylor served as the centerpiece and leader of the Laker squad, even when they finally moved to Los Angeles. Though Baylor carried the team valiantly, they never won a title. Eventually age and injuries forced him to retire at the start of the 1971-1972 season. The Lakers, starting with the first game after his retirement, would go on a 33-game winning streak—still an NBA record—during which they would bring Los Angeles it's first NBA championship title.

    This is a form of situational irony. The guy they got on the team in hopes of doing well has to retire due to injury. The expectation would be that they would do worse. Instead, they do much better than they had before.
  • A certain cathedral in Quebec, Canada has a spring (outside) that is reported to heal the lame. There's even a wall of crutches inside, supposedly cast aside by those who no longer needed them. Around the side, you can go in the handicapped entrance.
    • That's not ironic at all. A spring that heals the lame would need a handicapped entrance. A handicapped exit, on the other hand...

      The natter (second bullet point) needs to go, but the example is ironic. A church with a spring outside the doors which can heal the lame wouldn't be expected to need a handicapped entrance.
  • Drug addiction. You take the drug to escape an unpleasant reality. Then it destroys your life and you continue taking the drug to escape the even worse reality that was created because you used it.

    Expectation: An escape from problems. Actual result: More problems. Situation irony.
03:50:20 AM Oct 12th 2011
Does anyone object if I move the examples currently under "situational" into the main examples (why is it the only category with a separate example list?), put the all caps example categories into folders in their proper places among the other folders (so that there's not essentially three examples lists: the situation one, the all caps one, and the folder one), and do a general natter clean-up?
12:28:20 PM Oct 4th 2011
edited by Socearo
Why are we providing examples of this? Irony is what makes stories into stories. Pretty much every novel, joke, comic, TV episode; the all have Irony. That's what make them worth telling. It would be easier to list the things that DON'T contain irony, like most poems or video games like pong.
10:41:26 PM Apr 15th 2011
Under the Live Action TV tab under Examples, a line is quoted from The King of Queens.

In the commentary: "The silly thing about this argument is that the word "ironic" actually does mean "made entirely of iron.""

This does not seem to be correct on two points: 1) the silly thing about the line is that 'made entirely of iron' makes no sense in the context of a story (a category mistake, if you will) and 2) the word 'ironic' does not mean 'made entirely of iron.' (Ferrus is the word)
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