It's just been approved. Looks like they believed you.
"Clarity of thought before rashness of action."
Most of the examples in the Real Life folder are invalid. This trope is not just about breaking a promise. It's specifically about a character who never intended to keep the promise, and who says so when called on it.
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Yep, and I would not be surprised if many wicks had this problem as well. I'll clean the RL section up.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
The The Parable of the Dagger is technically not an example. The king only told the jester that one of the boxes contained a key, the other the dagger; this was indeed the case. (The jester incorrectly assumed that each statement on the boxes was either true, or false; the king promised no such thing.)
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Hence, removed:
- In "The Parable of the Dagger
" by Eliezer Yudkowsky, a jester annoys his king by playing a logic game with him that ends with the king getting bitten by a frog. The king gets fed up with his complex explanation about how he should have reasoned which box held the frog and which held gold, and so throws him in the dungeon. As revenge, he gives the jester his own riddle to solve: one enscripted box that contains the key to his chains and another that holds a dagger to execute him. The jester studies both the inscriptions and reasons which box has the key. Inside is the dagger. The king just stuck the dagger in the wrong box on purpose.
There's a classical riddle: somebody's sentenced to death, but the jailer offers him a chance to get free: "Here's a jar, I'm going to put in a white and a black bead. If you pull a white bead, you're free, if you pull a black one, you'll be executed." Except for that the prisoner saw him put two black beads in. (Of course, the solution is to swallow or otherwise lose the first bead, and then say: "The second bead was black, so the first one must be white." And of course, this depends on the jailer not pulling I Lied for the second time, and saying: "Okay, you have pulled a white bead, but I am going to execute you anyway.")
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How is that a riddle? It seems like just an overly complicated set-up with no real punchline. Also what's it got to do with the trope?
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I have a question regarding the definition of this trope: do the characters necessarily have to say a variation on the phrase "I Lied" for an example to count as this trope? The reason I'm asking is because I recently had a video example for the The Fox and the Crow cartoon "The Fox and the Grapes" get rejected because Crawford didn't necessarily say "I lied" even though the scene used the same principle.
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