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04:10:58 PM Apr 10th 2011
Does anyone think we could use character sheets for the TV series? I love all these new tropes that are being added, but it seems as if some of them would fit better on a character sheet. And hey, this series is so amazing that the more on its page the better! ;-)
02:26:32 PM Feb 2nd 2013
Definitely, and I'd be more than happy to contribute. I think I'll soon start the page myself as I've been lately editing the page a lot. Perhaps even to the level of being its Entry Pimp.
04:07:23 PM Aug 28th 2010
edited by alcockell
Hello. I have removed these bits of Conversation in the Main Page. The reasons why CITMP is disliked are many and varied, from making a page nearly useless to its actual readers, to giving the worse-than-useless impression that this place is suited for discussions and private notes. It would be nice if someone stuck what can be stuck into a single coherent whole and added that to the article. No rush.

  • Captain Horatio Hornblower R.N. (b&w) (1951). Starring Gregory Peck in his prime in the titular role. Virginia Mayo played Lady Barbara Wellesley.
  • A series of eight movies from 1999 to 2003 by A&E. Starting with the award-winning Hornblower: The Even Chance.
    • Umm - could you make that Meridian (ITV region)?
    • Apparently there was some Adaptation Decay.
    • Adaptation Distillation, in this troper's opinion.
    • Definitely Adaptation Distillation. The books had a severe amount of Moral Dissonance, which was subverted in the movies — especially in the last one, where Archie's death has turned Horatio into a ruthless bastard, and it looks like he's going to stay this way, until he finally relents and has mercy on various people who were in rather miserable positions because of the insanely strict rules of the British Royal Navy.
    • A bit of both, really, although not so much of the decay until the third series (which wasn't helped by the nosedive of the production values).

The inspiration for such modern works as:
  • A little series known as Star Trek has been described as "Horatio Hornblower IN SPACE!".
    • Wasn't Kirk supposed to be a descendant of Hornblower or did I just dream that up?
    • When Patrick Stewart was cast on Star Trek: The Next Generation, Gene Roddenberry gave him copies of the Hornblower books to read. See here.
    • This editor has actually managed to get some Star Trek fan friends of his to watch the Horatio Hornblower miniseries by telling them "it's Star Trek... in the 18th century". Surprisingly, after watching it, they subsequently became big fans.
  • The Hugo and Nebula nominated science fiction work, The Mote In God's Eye.
  • Honor Harrington - A Space Opera novel series by David Weber with a female version of Horatio Hornblower. The HH initials are not a coincidence. Author David Weber actually Hangs A Lampshade on this in the sixth book when he shows the title character reading one of the Hornblower books.
    • The series' technology was set up explicitly so Weber could do Horatio Hornblower in SPACE, with formations of spacecraft blasting away broadsides at each other and even using "gravitational sails" to navigate hyperspace (hyperspace itself having "currents", "waves" and areas just too damn stormy...err, gravitationally random, to move through safely).
    • Echoes of Honor is basically a retelling of C.S. Forester's Flying Colours — only much, much bigger. Instead of escaping with twenty prisoners in a dinky cutter like Hornblower, having destroyed three small rowboats sent to chase him, Honor escapes with half a million prisoners and an entire battlefleet, fighting major battles on the way.
    • A 2003 article describing various literary examples of "Hornblower in Space" (including Weber's) can be found here.
      • They missed the RCN series, though it may not have been written at the time of the article.
        • Probably because the RCN series is more Aubrey-Maturin in SPACE! than Hornblower.
  • Patrick O'Brian's Aubrey-Maturin series. Takes place during the same time frame as Horatio Hornblower. Not sci-fi.
  • Dudley Pope's Ramage series. It's mentioned that Ramage and Hornblower were junior officers on the same ship for a time (Pope and Forester were friends). Not sci-fi.
  • Alexander Kent's Richard Bolitho series. Not sci-fi.
  • David Drake's RCN series. Sci-fi version of Aubrey/Maturin, with a female Maturin.
  • The Sharpe series of novels and TV movies, starring a soldier in the Napoleonic wars, sort of a land-based equivalent of Hornblower.
  • The Gaunt's Ghosts series of Warhammer 40K tie-in novels, being based on Sharpe, are thus in turn based on Hornblower.
04:55:24 PM Jan 28th 2013
Removed for being contextless examples. I am sure they occur in the series but we need some information attache describing their use in the book before they are put back. Thanks.

12:48:45 PM Feb 4th 2013
edited by JoveHack
Checking the Boarding Party and Broken Ace pages shows Horatio Hornblower examples are used on them.

It's my understanding that links from a works page (like Horatio Hornblower) to a trope page (such as Boarding Party) can have the context/examples either in the main page, or on the trope page, but not both.

Since tropes require examples from works, those examples on the tropes page receive a "contextless" link from the works page of the example.

Contextless links do look a little bare, but they prevent duplication of content while providing examples for tropes.
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