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BioTube
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09:13:34 PM Jul 10th 2010
Would this trope still apply when the best solution has no relation to the two sides? Such as an debate over which color to paint all sheep in the nation - while sides would debate what color, the best solution is arguably to simply not paint the beasts.
LogicallyDashing
05:54:54 AM Oct 22nd 2010
Kang: Abortions for all! Crowd: Booo! Kang: All right, then. No abortions for anyone! Crowd: Booo! Kang: Hmm... Abortions for some, miniature American flags for others! Crowd: Yaaay! —The Simpsons

I don't understand how this is an example. "Keep abortions legal but discourage them in other ways" is a legitimate moderate position.
VVK
04:56:10 AM Jan 30th 2011
That's clearly not the reasoning behind the Simpsons example, which process is plainly evident in the dialogue.
Lenoxus
08:39:56 AM Jul 23rd 2011
edited by Lenoxus
With the sheep-painting example, a "true" Golden Mean would try its best to incorporate elements of painting both colors, eg, paint half the sheep's bodies one way and half the other, or mix the two colors and paint all the sheep with the result, etc. In real life situations, the truth may well lie between or outside two positions, though often one side or the other will be a little closer to the truth (at least if we're talking about something objectively determinable, eg, the age of the Earth).

The fundamentally fallacious thing about the Golden Mean is that it seeks correct answers in terms of what the existing positions are, rather than in terms of the facts on the ground (or whatever). The argument from popularity and the argument from authority make similar mistakes. It's also possible to invert the fllacy, eg, to argue that we shouldn't paint any sheep because "both sides" should be made to feel unhappy. In fact, a good rule of thumb is that the phrase "both sides" heralds a potential Golden Mean coming. (saying "Both sides have their points" usually doesn't add to the conversation, and is rarely followed up by "but one side is righter".)
VF1SValkyrie
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07:44:10 AM Nov 3rd 2010
Is there a difference between The Golden Mean Fallacy, and just a regular compromise?
Lenoxus
07:05:40 PM Jul 22nd 2011
edited by Lenoxus
This is late, but anyway… the difference is that you usually compromise out of the principle that if you want X, well, a little X is better than no X at all. The Golden Mean fallacy, conversely, holds that if the X and Y positions are such extremes, the middle position Z must be best because it is in the middle. The conclusion may be the same but the process is different.

Notice how this is also distinct from plain political moderation. One might happen to support position Z on its own merits, and this is different from believing that Z is great because it pleases everyone equally, and/or it pisses everyone off equally. The Klang and Kodos example is a good one in that it shows the process of a Golden Mean in the making, in contrast to a formation of a moderate view on its own merits.
Dryhad
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07:59:18 PM Dec 29th 2010
I'm not sure the "Bart Gets an Elephant" example is this trope. It would be if it suggested a third party between the Democrats and Republicans, but it doesn't. It just makes fun of both parties, and it doesn't even do so in a way that suggests one is "too much" and the other is "too little".
TheBlackWizard
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10:26:49 PM Oct 22nd 2011
edited by TheBlackWizard
The two examples in the "in real life" section regarding carbon and health care are actually examples of false dichotomy and have nothing to do with the Golden Mean Fallacy. At best, the notations themselves are an example of the Overton Window.

It is appropriate to just wipe them per the tips worksheet rather than noting this?
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