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03:03:31 PM May 17th 2010
Where is the photo at the top from? The one that shows the nazi flags hanging from the white house?
BritBllt
03:09:17 PM May 17th 2010
edited by BritBllt
I thought it was Star Trek Enterprise at first: it had a very similar image of a Nazi-occupied White House, but not quite the same. Turns out it's from the game Turning Point: Fall of Liberty.
ThePocket
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09:38:43 AM Aug 15th 2010
"Godwin's Law of Time Travel can also be used in telling similar stories about other past war-losers and faded empires. The Confederacy, the Soviets, the Romans, the Greeks, the Egyptians, the Aztecs, and the colonial-era British are all possibilities."

So, are such stories covered under this trope (as comparisons to Stalin et al are covered by Godwins Law, and Putting On The Reich includes Soviet and Ancient Roman motifs) or not? It's kind of ambiguous.
SomeGuy
01:59:41 PM Aug 15th 2010
Yes. That paragraph makes this about as clear as I can imagine.
Deboss
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12:31:05 AM Dec 21st 2010
Copying over from original.
Deboss
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12:31:12 AM Dec 21st 2010
Where is the photo at the top from? The one that shows the nazi flags hanging from the white house?
Deboss
12:31:36 AM Dec 21st 2010
I thought it was Star Trek Enterprise at first: it had a very similar image of a Nazi-occupied White House, but not quite the same. Turns out it's from the game Turning Point: Fall of Liberty.
Deboss
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12:32:09 AM Dec 21st 2010
"Godwin's Law of Time Travel can also be used in telling similar stories about other past war-losers and faded empires. The Confederacy, the Soviets, the Romans, the Greeks, the Egyptians, the Aztecs, and the colonial-era British are all possibilities."

So, are such stories covered under this trope (as comparisons to Stalin et al are covered by Godwins Law, and Putting On The Reich includes Soviet and Ancient Roman motifs) or not? It's kind of ambiguous.
Deboss
12:32:22 AM Dec 21st 2010
Yes. That paragraph makes this about as clear as I can imagine.
Freezer
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11:55:40 PM Dec 21st 2010
edited by Freezer
Removed this bit from the Dungeons And Dragons entry under Western Animation:

(The absurdity of the first part should be self-evident, since a fighter jet is useless without the modern infrastructure needed to operate and maintain one.)

Two words: Reverse Engineering. Even inferior copies of an 80s era fighter (presumably an F-14) would be leaps and bounds above anything in the skies in WWII. The guns alone would've been a big boost. Not to mention the possibility of retrofitting the thing to take WWII era ethanol and ammo (no bomber squadron around would be able to get past it to German targets.)

Really, it would depend on whether or not the jet was delivered early enough for the Nazis to have the time and resources to fully exploit it.
SkyBlue
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01:33:45 PM Jul 7th 2011
"Interestingly, in reality, a Nazi victory seems to have been quite improbable (although ultimately depending on how one actually defines "victory", of course). There was no single, easily changeable factor contributing to the Allied success, and it is likely that many changes to history would be needed for Germany to have a decent chance of winning."

I'd have to disagree with this assertion; read up on the Dunkirk evacuation over at The Other Wiki. If Generalfeldmarshall Rundstedt had not ordered the German army to halt their advance and consolidate, they would have rolled up the 300,000 soldiers of the British and French forces trapped at Dunkirk. If that had happened, the war in Europe would have been pretty much over in June 1940. In which case Japan would have had no reason to attack the U.S., and so Pearl Harbor would never have happened and the U.S. would have continued with its policy of isolationism. Without the U.S. in the war and with the British and French armies all but annihilated, Hitler would have controlled Europe pretty easily.

So there's one easy way for a time traveler to make Germany win World War II: prevent Rundstedt's order from reaching the German troops in the field. Cut the phone lines, jam the radio signal, kill the courier, whatever. Result: a Reich-controlled Europe, and a very interesting setting for your novel/RPG/video game.
captainsandwich
10:32:48 PM Feb 5th 2012
edited by captainsandwich
Like wise i disagree. if the allies did not fortunately accidentally bomb a german city, Hitler wouldn't have switched targets in assaulting britan (from airfields to cities), which very well may have led to britans defeat. also if the germans grasped the importance of what where the radar towers, they would have destroyed them, which would result in the brits would have had alot harder time optimizing the use of there pilots. both sides wasted opportunities for an easier victory. who knows what would have happen if britan was taken out when they were the only ones fighting the nazis. and there is also the d day deception, if that didn't work victory for the allies would have been a lot more costly at best, although considering they were fighting russia's seemingly endless troops i think they still would have lost, maybe europe would even be red because the russians would might have kept the conquered turf. there is also the matter of the nazi's racism getting rid of useful "undesirables", and those that cared for them.
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