Main Girls Need Role Models Discussion

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06:37:50 PM Nov 28th 2015
There seems to be confusion throughout the examples section. By my reading the trope is "flawless female characters because they're role models". The examples include both flawless characters and realistically flawed characters. Reasonably the second group also qualifies as role models but not as this trope. Example pruning to come?
09:58:04 AM Nov 30th 2015
Makes sense to me.
04:07:05 PM Feb 9th 2016
I removed the part about the Bechdel Test because the test is too simplistic, just like most standardized testing. There's no single criteria that makes a good female character. What's preventing someone from making a movie where two strippers talk about paying their rent?
09:06:35 AM Aug 11th 2014
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Would the classic older Disney Princesses count? I'm not sure if Walt was intending for them to be role models for girls specifically, though they're certainly meant to be admired. Each princess is a great role model but I often hear people who preach this trope bash them as the worst role models ever, if not the sole reason for this trope. They're very popular on the merchandise, but that might just be because they're the princessiest and girls love that.
09:24:47 AM Aug 11th 2014
Based on that, I'd be thinking no. Too little there to justify their inclusion under this trope.
06:46:12 PM Sep 6th 2013
Removed some bias against Trish Stratus which came from a troper who has a Single-Issue Wonk over anything positive to say about her.
10:59:40 PM Jun 25th 2013
This part: "and yet ironically Japan, and Asia in general, lags behind the West on many other gender issues"

Why put it in there? What is meant by 'West'? I don't feel this sentence belongs in the current article, as it adds no info. to 'girls need role models' trope, so I'm deleting it.
11:03:43 PM Jun 25th 2013
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The 'West' refers to the United States, Canada, Australia, and Western Europe. It's a perfectly legitimate and recognized term.
02:13:05 AM Jan 22nd 2013
The next metroid game would likely be the end of the franchise.
06:13:57 AM Dec 8th 2011
No Video Games section? Samus from Metroid? Jade from Beyond Good & Evil? Bastila from Knights of the Old Republic (and any number of companions from Kot OR II and The Old Republic)? Lara Croft? You know what? I'll just get that started. You can delete it if you don't agree. :)
10:33:37 AM Jan 13th 2012
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This is stupid.

Samus is the player character in a video game series that debuted in the 80's. Of course she's going to be heroic and competent. Samus was made a girl for fanservice and for the surprise of having her be a woman in the first place. Oh, and in at least one classic game (Super Metroid), she makes a single giant mistake that puts the entire galaxy at risk in the opening of the game.

Also, Other M knocks her off the list by default, since it turned her into a terrible role model.

EDIT: And somebody evidently agreed with me. Samus is not on the list.
01:23:02 PM Dec 20th 2012
The whole point of Samus was not to be a role model, so she shouldn't be on here regardless of Other M. This isn't a page to put our favorite female characters on a pedestal, it's supposed to highlight female characters created specifically to be role models and why.
07:14:29 PM Jul 11th 2011
I disagree that Japan invented comics aimed toward girls and women. During the Golden Age of comics, there were several romance and girl adventure comics in the United States and the UK. "The Four Marys" and "Patsy Walker" are two such examples. Also, Supergirl's readership during the 40s was predominately female. There was even a contest to suggest new hairstyles and wardrobe. Sure, this seems dated now, but this was the 50s. If comics had maintained the same popularity in the West as they did in Japan, who knows how the medium would have changed.

I will admit, they do have the West beat as far as number of female comic writers.
07:23:34 PM Feb 11th 2011
I don't think there's anything wrong with having 'strong' female characters. The key though, is to make these characters 'strong yet flawed.' I don't like the idea of calling female characters with flaws 'weak,' because a better word for it might be 'real[istic].' Having a tomboy who's too blunt for her own good paired with a girly girl who's also equipped with the nerdiness of Steve Urkle [or close] is still 'strong,' because I can relate to both.
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