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LatwPIAT
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01:56:34 AM Apr 5th 2010
Nuked this again:
  • The Verse: Masamune's latest manga-to-anime adaptation, Real Drive, takes place in the same world as Stand Alone Complex, even though it has no direct relation to the Ghost in the Shell plotlines itself. The series features prominent reoccurring discussion about prosthetic bodies, operator androids, and the social benefits of cyberization, or in the main character's case, how not being cyberized prevents her from keeping up with her classmates in school. There's also reference to a technology developed through the advancement of the Radiation Scrubber technology A.K.A. The Japanese Miracle that Ghoda developed.

To quote SAC and Real Drive writer Junichi Fujisaku:
Production I.G: Talking about taking over Shirow's world, I heard Fujisaku-san initially created a new "post-Ghost in the Shell" World.
Fujisaku: Yes, we started with the idea, but a request from Director Kazuhiro Furuhashi changed that totally.

SAC and Real Drive are not a verse. The tropes page should reflect that. Spiritual Successor maybe, but not The Verse.
WildGoose
08:40:41 PM Oct 27th 2011
Problem is the entry for The Verse in Real Drive states that both shows are corrected. I think I'll just go and do some trimming there...
WildGoose
12:17:56 AM Oct 28th 2011
DRCEQ is of the opinion that both shows are in the verse, word of god be damned.
DRCEQ
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09:46:18 PM Apr 26th 2010
Shoot The Money:

I added this trope because 6 years ago when Stand Alone Complex's dub first aired, I read in Newtype magazine that the series had broke a record for having the highest production budget of all time.

Granted, It has been 6 years, and I don't quite remember the complete facts, I do specifically remember the part of them setting a new production budget for the series.

Now Westrim keeps deleting it without considering that it still applies to the series. He isn't editing it to account for errors. He's flat out deleting it.

  • Shoot The Money: At the time the series was made, Stand Alone Complex set a world record for having the highest production budget for an animated feature or series of all time. None of those Disney Pixar movies even came close to the amount of money spent on computer graphics for this series. Then again, this is Production IG we're talking about. The quality really shows.

I'm fine with correcting it in any way that's needed to make the trope more accurate, but I wouldn't have put this in if I hadn't remembered reading it in a magazine all those years ago.
Westrim
03:30:32 PM Apr 27th 2010
edited by Westrim
Because it's not partially incorrect or kind of incorrect, it's completely incorrect. Unfortunately I have scoured the interwebs and cannot find any direct references to the cost of the series; however, the cost of the theater released Solid State Society was $3.6 million (mentioned here to be more than the series), and Innocence had significant difficulty securing financing when it cost $20 million. Steamboy was the most expensive anime ever at $26 million. Monsters Inc, released the year before, cost $115 million. With all respect, you are basing an extreme logical and financial unlikelihood on a 6 year old memory. The only possibility is that it's the most expensive series, but animated Star Trek cost $75,000 an episode in 1973 and Samurai 7 $300,000 in 2004. Scientifically speaking, I can't prove it's not the most expensive series unless someone actually finds stats on SAC itself, but the evidence makes it pretty unlikely.
DRCEQ
06:29:18 PM Apr 27th 2010
I know I read something about it. I know it. Maybe it was the highest budget for a standard half-hour episode anime series in the history of anime, but it was definitely a financial record broken when it was made.
Westrim
08:48:29 AM Apr 29th 2010
But until we know which one we can't state that it broke any factually. Here, I'll put it in in with generalized terminology and see if that looks good.
DRCEQ
09:19:43 AM Apr 29th 2010
Well, the trope itself is about putting money to good use for a shot or a scene, and doesn't necessarily have to indicate that it broke a production budget record or anything. The trope does still apply because the CGI effects and animation are really spectacular all in all.
Speedball
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02:26:09 AM Sep 24th 2010
Hrm, the two paragraphs that I added, under Eigen Plot and Everything Trying To Kill You, are they too long?
DRCEQ
07:16:19 AM Sep 24th 2010
A little bit, but I think it was kind of unavoidable. I made a couple edits to try and shorten them up a little bit by clearing out some natter-ish words, but I ended up making Eigen Plot a little longer by clarifying some points.

Oh well, I think it looks fine now.
requiem18th
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12:52:23 AM Oct 17th 2010
Fuck you Spielberg. Be prepared for backslash.
Densetsu
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11:46:16 AM May 23rd 2011
NIGHT CRUISE- "no relation to the overall plot"?

I wouldn't say that's true. Gino and his buddies are former soldiers-so effectively refugees-from the Fourth Worls War. Considering that 2nd Gig is focused around these refugees, could it not be said that the episode has quite a large relation to the overall plot since it shows various effects of the war, and reasons for frustration among refugees that influence later episodes?
Jordan
11:49:09 AM May 23rd 2011
While it illustrates the background of the story, it's also a Whole Plot Reference to Taxi Driver, which kind of makes it seem like Author Appeal (the love of referencing classic movies) and of questionable importance.
Densetse
12:11:53 PM May 23rd 2011
edited by Densetse
Fair enough- but personally, I think the whole "background of the story" part is pretty important. Only two episodes in, the amount of plot background it gives away (exploitation by cyborg parts manufacturers, the crappy conditions that the refugees are in shown from the POV of an actual refugee instead of Section 9, etc) can't really be ignored in what they do to inform the viewer about why the refugees are so desperate for things to change. I'd say that Gino himself is a shaggy dog, sure, but i think the amount of info given in the episode itself elevates it above being a mere Whole Plot Reference.
WildGoose
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08:46:43 PM Oct 27th 2011
So I've been poking around and I noted that the Crowning Moment of Awesome entries for Stand Alone Complex ended up getting merged with the main Ghost In the Shell C Mo A page (which IMO should really be for the movies).

I propose transferring the SAC C Mo As onto the proper page, and intend to do this... sometime next week. <.<
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