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Johnny1993
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04:33:42 PM Apr 22nd 2014
What happened to the Lich's entry?
Morgenthaler
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08:12:12 AM May 6th 2013
Moved this example here:

  • The monsters from Feast.

Aside from being a Zero-Context Example, does this really count for this trope? I haven't seen the movie, but what little I know of it indicates that they are just mindless human-eating monsters. Those almost never have motives beyond predatory instinct, because they're not really characters in the sense of having a personality to begin with.
Darkton
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06:05:36 PM Sep 10th 2012
Linkara had a particularly good quote about this from his Catwoman: Guardian of Gotham review:

"This is the worst kind of villain, folks! He has no motivation, no credible backstory, no emotional connection that makes us sympathize or understand why he does the things that he does; he's just some asshole who wants to kill the hero because he's the villain!"

Suggestion of putting that somewhere. Perhaps a pagequote?
Morgenthaler
08:15:24 AM May 6th 2013
I don't think it's suitable as a page quote, because it stresses that Tropes Are Bad, when they're not. I've added it to the Quotes tab, however.
Larkmarn
08:36:48 AM May 6th 2013
What if you cut out the first sentence? Because the rest really does illustrate what the trope really is.
ading
03:56:37 AM Jun 14th 2013
Even so, it still sounds very complanatory.
Azxc
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04:01:05 AM Oct 16th 2011
I'd just like to note that A Generic Doomsday Villain is villain that NOBODY REALLY CARES about, not "a villain I personally think is boring". Case in point, villains like Kefka and various Doctor Who are well-loved by the fandom partly BECAUSE they are cackling evil manics who want to destroy everthing just because they can. As such, they don't really belong here.
Madcapunlimited
09:50:58 AM Feb 22nd 2012
Yeah, Kefka is definitely not Generic. Seems a lot of examples are more about the DOOMSDAY villain part than the GENERIC part.
TripleElation
10:59:47 AM Feb 22nd 2012
edited by TripleElation
No, it's not a "villain nobody cares about". The definition of the trope is right there in the first line- "an overpowering antagonist without a believable goal, motive or plan".

The fandom can cheer for this character, or hate them, or be indifferent to them, or write slash fanfic of them. It doesn't matter. Yeah, the issue of "we just don't care" gets brought up later as something typical of this trope, but treating it as a proper part of the definition — let alone the main part of the definition — will only lead to tears.
Danel
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01:08:28 AM Jun 29th 2011
This shouldn't be a YMMV trope - the status of a villain as a Generic Doomsday Villain should be a neutral observation. Of course, for this to work, the criticism in the trope description would have to be toned down... which it should be anyway, since Tropes Are Not Bad.
TiberiusBlaze
12:22:46 PM Aug 16th 2011
So what's the difference between this character and the Omnicidal Maniac?
VeryMelon
09:24:13 PM Oct 11th 2011
edited by VeryMelon
Omnicidal Maniacs have more characterization beyond "wants to destroy the world", Which is all a Generic Doomsday Villian is all about.
Twilightdusk
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08:58:59 AM Jul 22nd 2010
Archived discussion from Boring Invincible Villain

From YKTTW Working Title: Boring Invincible Villain

Alles In De Soep: None of the villains described here are invincible.

Guest Of Dishonour: The page quote comes from a Game FAQS review of Final Fantasy XII, don't remember the reviewer's name though. Still, it describes the trope pretty well.
Pykrete
11:29:06 AM Jul 28th 2010
edited by Pykrete
The recent change to Generic Doomsday Villain seems to be rather confused.

The upper 2/3 of the description describes exactly what I'd expect of a Generic Doomsday Villain, one who wants to blow up the world or whatever and doesn't even have the excuse of For the Evulz, but whose chief defining feature is that they smash things and exist solely as a plot device under the writers' misconception that conflict = drama.

The lower 1/3 of the description describes what I think when I hear Boring Invincible Villain, who not only has no personality, but whose chief defining feature is that they can't be defeated and the audience begins to get bored/irritated by this — the villainous counterpart to Invincible Hero.

I think we might be looking at two different things.
SabreJustice
12:33:50 AM Jul 29th 2010
I agree. Generic Doomsday Villain should be its own trope, not this one renamed.
balmung60
07:00:59 PM Oct 20th 2010
Yeah, I have to say that this rename seems to me like it was just a terrible idea.

How does "Generic Doomsday Villain" = "Boring Invincible Villain"? I submit that it in no way means the same thing, does not imply the same thing, and would be as stated above, a good name for a completely different, new trope.

It seems to me that this was renamed just to rename it, and should be put up for a re-renaming back to "Boring Invincible Villain".
fgdfgdd
07:06:16 PM Nov 1st 2010
Why not Boring Nigh Invincible Villain or something? At any rate, Boring Invincible Villain was a good title. Sure, it's slightly non indicative, but people should stop being so anal.
robdoggh
08:09:22 PM Dec 20th 2010
I'm chiming in a little late here, but I have to agree with the other posters. Generic Doomsday Villain and Boring Invincible Villain are two different tropes, for the reasons that Pykrete listed. I don't believe that "Boring Invincible Villain" is a non-indicative title. A boring, invincible villain is functionally invincible for most of the story (and may actually be invincible for a while due to phlebethonium or what have you) and is not engaging to the audience. Simple.
DrakeClawfang
07:09:55 PM Jun 4th 2011
A pity nothing ever came of this.
TripleElation
11:46:07 PM Jun 4th 2011
Bring it up in TRS and propose to split Invincible Villain away from this page.
DrakeClawfang
10:35:39 AM Jun 6th 2011
TRS?
TripleElation
04:14:11 AM Jun 7th 2011
edited by TripleElation
Sorry for blathering jargon. The Trope Repair Shop (TRS) is a forum where we decide what to do if a Trope seems broken in some way. The link is under "troperville" on the left tab.
DrakeClawfang
06:31:43 AM Jun 7th 2011
Thanks.
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