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08:56:55 PM Jun 8th 2018
Would the Night King and the White Walkers from ASOIAF and Game of Thrones count?
12:56:36 PM Dec 26th 2016
Cut the following:
  • Hades Izanami from BlazBlue is unkillable due to being death incarnate, is about as powerful as you might expect a Physical God to be, (Gameplay and Story Segregation not withstanding,) and desires to depose the Master Unit: Amaterasu, remake reality and turn it into a "world of death." Why? Because she's death incarnate, that's why... As more is revealed about her, the trope gets played with a bit as it turns out that Izanami is essentially the antropomorphic personification of the Amaterasu Unit having a Suicidal Cosmic Temper Tantrum.

As an established Complete Monster, she's now exempt from this trope. However, there are CM examples on this page since they play with this trope.
  • Zant: noted subversion.
  • Amon: was this until later games gave him backstory.
  • Brainiac: his entry refers to him being accused of this in-universe.
  • Unicron (in the quotes section): claims to have been a GDV until later works gave him backstory.

Does Hades Izanami's entry adequately acknowledge that it only applied in her initial appearances?
08:22:04 AM Jun 8th 2016
How about this?
Guess what his name is?
01:37:40 AM Jun 9th 2016
You might want to take it to the Image Pickin' forum
12:13:22 AM Apr 1st 2015
So how come this isn't part of the Bad Writing Index anymore?

Also, how come Cell is here when he clearly had a personality
01:54:53 AM Apr 1st 2015
Someone shoehorning examples, for Cell. That's what I think.
12:42:22 AM Apr 8th 2015
May I remove it then? After all, while Cell's plans are relatively generic, he has a fully-fledged personality. On the flip side, I think that if someone has a complex way of getting their plan but a slim-to-non existent personality it should count them as this
09:03:12 AM Mar 2nd 2015
Why isn't the "generic doomsday villains can't be complete monsters" mentioned here? It would certainly clear a few things up, right?
09:25:18 AM Mar 2nd 2015
Because this trope page is not a how-to guide for how to add Complete Monster examples.
10:20:11 AM Aug 14th 2014
Challenging the last edit without starting an edit war, are generic rule the world villains like Tirek really exempt from this? I mean while they have a basic goal, their still not much more than a walking threat.
04:33:42 PM Apr 22nd 2014
What happened to the Lich's entry?
12:43:50 PM Dec 26th 2016
Established Complete Monsters are exempt from this trope since utter evilness is part of their character, which means they have too much character to be a GDV.
08:12:12 AM May 6th 2013
Moved this example here:

  • The monsters from Feast.

Aside from being a Zero-Context Example, does this really count for this trope? I haven't seen the movie, but what little I know of it indicates that they are just mindless human-eating monsters. Those almost never have motives beyond predatory instinct, because they're not really characters in the sense of having a personality to begin with.
06:05:36 PM Sep 10th 2012
Linkara had a particularly good quote about this from his Catwoman: Guardian of Gotham review:

"This is the worst kind of villain, folks! He has no motivation, no credible backstory, no emotional connection that makes us sympathize or understand why he does the things that he does; he's just some asshole who wants to kill the hero because he's the villain!"

Suggestion of putting that somewhere. Perhaps a pagequote?
08:15:24 AM May 6th 2013
I don't think it's suitable as a page quote, because it stresses that Tropes Are Bad, when they're not. I've added it to the Quotes tab, however.
08:36:48 AM May 6th 2013
What if you cut out the first sentence? Because the rest really does illustrate what the trope really is.
03:56:37 AM Jun 14th 2013
Even so, it still sounds very complanatory.
04:01:05 AM Oct 16th 2011
I'd just like to note that A Generic Doomsday Villain is villain that NOBODY REALLY CARES about, not "a villain I personally think is boring". Case in point, villains like Kefka and various Doctor Who are well-loved by the fandom partly BECAUSE they are cackling evil manics who want to destroy everthing just because they can. As such, they don't really belong here.
09:50:58 AM Feb 22nd 2012
Yeah, Kefka is definitely not Generic. Seems a lot of examples are more about the DOOMSDAY villain part than the GENERIC part.
10:59:47 AM Feb 22nd 2012
edited by TripleElation
No, it's not a "villain nobody cares about". The definition of the trope is right there in the first line- "an overpowering antagonist without a believable goal, motive or plan".

The fandom can cheer for this character, or hate them, or be indifferent to them, or write slash fanfic of them. It doesn't matter. Yeah, the issue of "we just don't care" gets brought up later as something typical of this trope, but treating it as a proper part of the definition — let alone the main part of the definition — will only lead to tears.
01:08:28 AM Jun 29th 2011
This shouldn't be a YMMV trope - the status of a villain as a Generic Doomsday Villain should be a neutral observation. Of course, for this to work, the criticism in the trope description would have to be toned down... which it should be anyway, since Tropes Are Not Bad.
12:22:46 PM Aug 16th 2011
So what's the difference between this character and the Omnicidal Maniac?
09:24:13 PM Oct 11th 2011
edited by VeryMelon
Omnicidal Maniacs have more characterization beyond "wants to destroy the world", Which is all a Generic Doomsday Villian is all about.
08:58:59 AM Jul 22nd 2010
Archived discussion from Boring Invincible Villain

From YKTTW Working Title: Boring Invincible Villain

Alles In De Soep: None of the villains described here are invincible.

Guest Of Dishonour: The page quote comes from a Game FAQS review of Final Fantasy XII, don't remember the reviewer's name though. Still, it describes the trope pretty well.
11:29:06 AM Jul 28th 2010
edited by Pykrete
The recent change to Generic Doomsday Villain seems to be rather confused.

The upper 2/3 of the description describes exactly what I'd expect of a Generic Doomsday Villain, one who wants to blow up the world or whatever and doesn't even have the excuse of For the Evulz, but whose chief defining feature is that they smash things and exist solely as a plot device under the writers' misconception that conflict = drama.

The lower 1/3 of the description describes what I think when I hear Boring Invincible Villain, who not only has no personality, but whose chief defining feature is that they can't be defeated and the audience begins to get bored/irritated by this — the villainous counterpart to Invincible Hero.

I think we might be looking at two different things.
12:33:50 AM Jul 29th 2010
I agree. Generic Doomsday Villain should be its own trope, not this one renamed.
07:00:59 PM Oct 20th 2010
Yeah, I have to say that this rename seems to me like it was just a terrible idea.

How does "Generic Doomsday Villain" = "Boring Invincible Villain"? I submit that it in no way means the same thing, does not imply the same thing, and would be as stated above, a good name for a completely different, new trope.

It seems to me that this was renamed just to rename it, and should be put up for a re-renaming back to "Boring Invincible Villain".
07:06:16 PM Nov 1st 2010
Why not Boring Nigh Invincible Villain or something? At any rate, Boring Invincible Villain was a good title. Sure, it's slightly non indicative, but people should stop being so anal.
08:09:22 PM Dec 20th 2010
I'm chiming in a little late here, but I have to agree with the other posters. Generic Doomsday Villain and Boring Invincible Villain are two different tropes, for the reasons that Pykrete listed. I don't believe that "Boring Invincible Villain" is a non-indicative title. A boring, invincible villain is functionally invincible for most of the story (and may actually be invincible for a while due to phlebethonium or what have you) and is not engaging to the audience. Simple.
07:09:55 PM Jun 4th 2011
A pity nothing ever came of this.
11:46:07 PM Jun 4th 2011
Bring it up in TRS and propose to split Invincible Villain away from this page.
10:35:39 AM Jun 6th 2011
04:14:11 AM Jun 7th 2011
edited by TripleElation
Sorry for blathering jargon. The Trope Repair Shop (TRS) is a forum where we decide what to do if a Trope seems broken in some way. The link is under "troperville" on the left tab.
06:31:43 AM Jun 7th 2011
04:01:07 PM Feb 11th 2018
Would Midnight Sparkle from Equestria Girls the Friendship Games count as a Generic Doomsday Villain?
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