Main Flame Bait Discussion

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12:26:35 PM Feb 1st 2018
Flame Bait is, in other words, controversy?
08:15:39 PM Jan 1st 2016
edited by themaniacinthemailbox
All the Mary Sue tropes are now Flame Bait? Why? I know the term is sometimes used incorrectly, but it seems rather extreme to ban the thing.
05:12:03 AM Jan 2nd 2016
Because they invite a bunch of inane bickering.
04:24:21 PM Jan 3rd 2016
Really? I never noticed anything like that, but then again, I don't go on forums much. Still, can I have some examples please?
02:05:31 AM Jan 4th 2016
The inane bickering included arguments about Goku from Dragon Ball being a God-Mode Sue and some other examples that occurred when we still allowed examples on these pages.
06:57:18 PM Nov 19th 2016
"Mary Sue" is not a very firmly defined term, and it is unbelievably rude to call a character such. Plus, they're called "Flame Bait" for a good reason: putting it on a work's page will result in a Flame War.

The page-acceptable Mary Sue variants are Parody Sue, Dream Sue, Her Code Name Was "Mary Sue" and Mary Suetopia, but that last one is subjective.
07:42:01 PM Jul 20th 2014
Narm is flamebait now? How?
01:37:38 AM Jul 21st 2014
<Sigh> Methinks I'll have to ask for its removal.
10:28:20 AM Jul 21st 2014
It was definitely decided to take it off the index. I hollered a week or so ago, but nothing happened.
10:29:52 AM Jul 21st 2014
I am planning to bring it forward in the Edit Requests thread once the current backlog has been sorted.
07:12:25 AM May 2nd 2014
Can anyone explain why Fan Dumb and Hate Dumb aren't under Flamebait?
07:53:12 AM May 2nd 2014
Because the discussions on making it Flame Bait went nowhere.
01:28:32 PM Jul 8th 2014
Can someone please explain how it is? I've tried searching for the discussion to no avail, and it just led me here.
01:47:09 PM Jul 8th 2014
The discussion is in Ask The Tropers.
02:14:42 AM Apr 2nd 2014
There needs to be a Laconic page so people can understand the definition of Flame Bait.
10:30:37 AM Jul 16th 2013
I want to nominate Mary Sue as Flame Bait since the term is misused for bashing. How can I?
03:00:22 PM Jul 31st 2012
Can someone tell me why Ruined Forever is in Flame Bait?
11:37:52 AM Aug 1st 2012
Because it was being abused by tropers to complain about shows they didn't like.
12:54:44 PM Sep 17th 2011
I personally think that the Flame Bait banner could be reworded. As Lord Seth once said about Periphery Hatedom, "...what's subjective? No one will deny that a show like Barney and Friends, for example, is an example of this. Whether you think it deserves the hatred is of course subjective, but it is OBJECTIVE to say that it exists."

Just saying.
04:05:52 PM Sep 17th 2011
Read What Goes Where on the Wiki, under YMMV.
05:34:43 PM Oct 10th 2011
edited by AMNK
And the Rule of Cautious Editing Judgment.

This wiki is not a personal playground for hatred spreading.
05:28:21 PM Sep 6th 2011
edited by Spinosegnosaurus77
Why is Character Derailment here? It's not even subjective.

Can these items be listed on a work's page if they're in-universe?

Not to mention, why are some of these still on the main site? Why don't we move them all to the Darth Wiki or *gasp!* the Permanent Red Link Club?
12:10:55 AM Sep 7th 2011
edited by SpellBlade
03:51:53 PM Aug 13th 2011
edited by CounterBlitzkrieg
Why and how are the Character Alignment tropes flame bait anyways?
03:56:53 PM Aug 13th 2011
10:25:08 AM Jul 4th 2011
edited by Spinosegnosaurus77
If these are "the forbidden tropes", why haven't we banished all of them to the farthest reaches of the Darth Wiki yet? And in my opinion, Narm could be brought down to a YMMV item.
01:29:02 PM Jul 4th 2011
People are using Narm to whine - see Narm.Star Wars for an example.
12:08:05 AM May 19th 2011
I really don't like this absolutist approach to Flame Bait. In pages where there haven't been flame wars over these tropes, is there really a reason to keep removing them - even from the YMMV tab - just because it's been a problem on other pages?
11:44:48 AM May 26th 2011
Yes. In general, Flame Bait tropes are marked as such because people cannot be trusted with them, period.
01:52:49 AM Jun 9th 2011
edited by Erda
See, for some of these, you are right - for something like So Bad, It's Horrible, it does make sense that they are so flame-inciting that there is no point. But with something like Character Derailment, when there are examples of character derailment that are generally agreed-upon on particular fanbases AND represent a significant issue for that particular show that should be addressed on TV Tropes, then it does not make sense to keep removing them in every single instance. Something being controversial is not a reason to keep it from being discussed, and we have other rules (like the ones against Natter and the Rule of Cautious Editing Judgment) that really should make blanket prescriptions against certain tropes unnecessary.

I just feel like we should not treat everything on this page with the same brush. Some of these discussions are less important and necessary than others. I don't like that TV Tropes seems to be shying away from any type of controversy these days.
02:55:38 PM Jun 16th 2011
For that matter, why is Unpleasable Fanbase on that list? Will both sides of said Unpleasable Fanbase think everything is right as it is?
06:00:22 PM Jul 8th 2011
05:50:57 PM Sep 5th 2011
And, from the Homepage itself, "We are also not a wiki for bashing things. Once again, we're about celebrating fiction, not showing off how snide and sarcastic we can be."
12:27:04 PM Dec 14th 2011
Same with Periphery Hatedom- I can see how one would start a Flame War over, say, Taylor Swift being an example, but Barney & Friends? Come on!
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