Cut from the Did Not Do The Research:

• Similarly, at least one of the authors of 1ed's "The Autochthonians" had a few issues with the difference between 'Malfeans' and 'Neverborn'. They're related, yes, but they're not the same.

I did a bit more checking, and it turns out that in 1e, for reasons of their own, the Neverborn were called Malfeans despite the fact that Malfeas was explicitly some other place. (I mean, it's still an example of Did Not Do The Research - it's just that it's me.)

Under Squee a Blog is mentioned. Link please?

On the Infernal Exalted, Akuma and P Cs issue:

The Infernal Manual of Exalted Power specifically addresses the possibility of Akuma P Cs. Essentially, the way it works is that the Yozi that controls the Akuma replaces said Akuma's Motivation with an Urge, which works just the same. Sometimes, the Urge is "Obey (Yozi) in all things", which is indeed deeply deprotagonising, but it's sometimes something more like "Cause Gem to be destroyed in a tremendous explosion." In these cases, the Akuma has to do that, but they have a little more free will and judgement over precisely how they do it, and the Manual specifically says that lets you play Akuma P Cs.

Cut from Black And Grey Morality:

• Black And Gray Morality — Really, nobody's hands are clean. The savior of Creation is engaged to the Yozi of evil itself, and she joined forces with him because it was the only way she could find to save Creation.

This deserves to be cut for three reasons. While the Scarlet Empress may have sincerely believed the above, this reasoning qualify for the trope only if three things were true:

• Her actions (authoring the Broken Winged Crane, sacrificing Lillun to the Yozis, betraying all of Creation to Hell) were the only way available for her to extend her lifespan.
• Her death (of old age, which is what she feared) would actually doom Creation.
• Her current course of action (marrying the Ebon Dragon) will in fact save Creation.

None of the above is true.

As re: #1, hell, if Mnemon can find a Hearthstone of Immortality (which she entirely has, its on her character sheet in Scroll of Exalts), then what stopped Her Redness?

And as for #2, up until the writing of "Return of the Scarlet Empress", the entire Exalted game line was based on the premise that your characters would save Creation... hell, the only reason the Realm is self-destructing in her absence in the first place is because she specifically set it up to happen that way. In the normal course of events, Mnemon (or Cathak Cainan, or several others) would entirely have been capable of performing her duties, if Her Redness had previously named them as her acknowledged heir (to avoid the civil war problem) and added them to the authorized user list of the Sword of Creation.

As for point #3, marrying the Ebon Dragon is not only not saving Creation, it is the act that (if successfully completed) will specifically doom Creation to become indistinguishable from Malfeas and release the Yozis out to plunge the world into eternal darkness.

So while the Exalted universe positively abounds with examples of Black And Grey Morality, the Scarlet Empress' becoming the Queen of Hell is one of the few things in the setting that doesn't.

You'd have a good case arguing that her initial reign as the Scarlet Empress qualified as Black And Grey Morality, though. She actually did save Creation at the founding of the Realm, and worked to preserve it up until RY 762. Its the whole Queen of Hell thing where she loses that status, which is why I boggle at the Queen of Hell being given as an alleged example of that. There's nothing really morally ambiguous about being the keystone of a plot masterminded by the embodiment of pure selfish evil to turn the entire world into an eternity of pain. Especially not when the trope itself applies to protagonists, and she's one of the primary antagonists of RotSE.

Is anyone else interested in creating a character page with me? It would probably go a long way toward cleaning up this page. If not I'll go ahead and do it myself.

Cut the following:

• Actually, that's not quite how it goes. Once an Infernal creates a new charm for himself, his governing Yozi immediately learns it too (page 101, Manual of Exalted Power: Infernals). As a result, Yozis will encourage the Green Sun Princes to create charms, so as to have an advantage over each other.

I've also clarified the point this was replying to, as I can see why the editor thought this was true. To be perfectly clear: this would be correct if we weren't discussing Heretical Charms in that particular bullet point, as the Heretical keyword specifies in as many words that the Yozis can't learn them.

I didn't want to add clutter so I'll ask here

• For many others, this was a Dethroning Moment Of Suck. The fact that it can turn into a Warstrider and Prince Lanesh make no sense to the established canon and was viewed as a giant retcon by half the base (see Broken Base).

What is this talking about? This is entirily new canon, and I don't see how it is a retcon to any existing canon.

Excellencies are mentioned on this page as an efficient use of motes. Surely that can't be right - if excellencies were the most efficient way of attacking, social combat, etc. then the rest of stuff is much weaker.

In many situations the other charms have a specific effect that is cheaper that doing exactly the same thing with an excellency.

Should we add a Characters page. There are a lot of them floating around the setting.

The main tropes are too long. Any chance of shorting them a little?