Main Everybody Wants The Hermaphrodite Discussion

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TheWhiteJewel
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04:24:38 AM Mar 11th 2014
Requesting title change. 'Hermaphrodite' is an outdated term, bordering on an offensive slur nowadays. Consider 'Intersexual' for future use. I also agree with Lemily33 that this whole page needs revising or a serious reboot.
SeptimusHeap
06:49:59 AM Mar 11th 2014
I've never heard of "hermaphrodite" being outdated, much less of it being a slur. You might want to propose it in the Trope Repair Shop, although it's not likely that this request will be granted.
Preda
09:39:42 AM Jun 4th 2015
I absolutely second the motion for a title change, at the very least. It's more than a bit rude that the wiki still uses this word for a trope page.

And for the record, when someone tells you that a word is offensive for a group you aren't a part of, you should listen to them. Since you're not part of the group.
SeptimusHeap
03:06:26 PM Jun 4th 2015
Do not make assumptions about the gender orientations of random people, please.

We do have When To Rename A Trope which explains when a rename will and will not be done. While we do sometimes rename tropes for being offensive, the bar is very very high and this term doesn't meet it at all.
brakelights
07:49:50 PM Aug 3rd 2015
edited by brakelights
How high is the bar for renaming tropes? The term "hermaphrodite" is considered to be a slur against people who have characteristics of men and women. [1] When To Rename A Trope doesn't explicitly say names with slurs are not to be used—but you don't see slurs in many trope names. The use of hermaphrodite in the examples on this page isn't accurate with its definition anyway. Not all the examples on this page have multiple reproductive organs nor is that definition explicitly the point of invoking the trope. Androgyne more accurately describes this trope and is a recognizable term.

In other tropes like this one that tend to highlight the use of not-so-great stereotypes in popular culture (Race Tropes, for example), trope names use words that are not considered slurs. I don't believe the content of the page is bad at all; it's a prejudicial trope and TVT exists to catalog tropes including ones like these. But I would consider discussing changing the name.
SeptimusHeap
07:22:21 AM Aug 4th 2015
There is too much disagreement about whether a slur is a problem. Some have been renamed (the "lolicon" themed names) but usually we bog down with a circular debate.
Lemily33
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11:56:51 AM Aug 27th 2013
This trope and its examples are bordering on transphobic. The whole article also seems to conflate gender with sexuality. Can something be done about this?
ElodieHiras
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09:42:24 AM Oct 3rd 2012
I was wondering... Aren't hermaphrodites sexy because we're almost all bisexual to a degree and since futas are both male and females, well, they can cater to both this side while giving us the ability to deny (to other or to ourselves) our attraction to the same sex?
IronAnimation
12:54:35 AM May 10th 2013
Short answer-no. This is a very complex topic and its not that simple. Regardless, this isn't the place for that.
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