08:10:18 PM Nov 29th 2013
Why is Marv from the "Sin City" movie on here? How is he a "Bad Man"? Wasn't he one of the most morally pure characters in the film?
11:31:41 AM Sep 9th 2012
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Example in The Walking Dead game -In Episode 3 of The Walking Dead game, the three main antagonists are a mother and her two sons, who are cannibals. When you tell the surviving son that his mother and brother are dead, he screams in grief, and tries to goad the player into killing him. I'd add it myself, but I'm not familiar with the code, and I don't really trust my writing ability. Anyway, good luck!
04:26:39 AM Oct 18th 2010
I replaced this conversation with a simplified version which indicates Lestat was an example of the trope and was a mummy's boy since that how the debate seems to work out. Lestat's relationship with his father is out of scope. Repair, Don't Respond
- Lestat in Anne Rice's Vampire Chronicles is a daddy's boy; he becomes his father's caretaker after he goes blind, bringing him to America with him and taking care of him for decades, all the while keeping him from knowing he's become a vampire, and never attempts to turn him into one.
- Though Lestat is more than fond of his mother, Gabrielle - he did turn her into a vampire.
- And this is a very new developement for the two of them—Lestat and his father did not get along when Lestat was still human—he was patently his mother's favorite, and vice versa.
- Lestat is categorically a mama's boy. He adores Gabrielle, revels in being her favorite son, and still resents every second she's not paying attention to him. He hates his father and takes care of him at the end of the man's life only because Marius told him to do it. He interacts with the Marquis in a series of mood swings from cloying sweetness to brat-tastic rages, foists him on Louis half the time, and has Louis kill him when the slaves revolt because it's the most expedient thing to do. Not exactly a loving relationship.
04:22:25 AM Oct 18th 2010
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edited by Camacan
I simplifed this example: having a huge spoiler in the middle of an article is bad form. The details are far too much than the trope requires:I replaced this discusion with a generic form of the example which doesn't reveal Azula's identity. Repair, Don't Respond
- Female version from Avatar: The Last Airbender: A big part of Magnificent Bitch Azula's Villainous Breakdown in the Grand Finale is represented by her hallucinations involving her Missing Mom, Princess Ursa. Azula, who had only mentioned in passing how she felt she was her mom's unfavorite, is shown screaming and crying at that.
- To be more specific Azula is screaming about how trust and love are worthless and that only fear is useful to keeping others loyal to her, while accusing her mother of fearing her. Azula's hallucination of her mother assures her that she does love her, which is basically Azula realising that she was deprived of her mother's unconditional love, and had to settle for he father's approval that had to be earned, which is shown to be something that is easily withdrawn. That realisation (combined with how she had driven away everyone around her) is what causes her to breakdown crying.
- The series also has an aversion. Yon Rha (the man who killed Katara's mother) is not very fond of his abusive hag of a mother, at one point suggesting that Katara kill his mother so as to Pay Evil unto Evil. He is very obviously excited by this prospect.
04:21:04 AM Oct 18th 2010
Probably not an example: not at all clear this is a villain.
- Mythological example: The hero Perseus of Greek mythology was very protective of his Hot Shounen Mom Danae, and King Polydectes's motive for sending him on the quest to kill Medusa was to get him out of the way so he could get at her. When Perseus returns with Medusa's head and finds out that his mother got messed with in his absence, he promptly uses Medusa's head to turn Polydectes and his court to stone before leaving the throne to the guy's brother and Perseus's former caretaker, Dictys.
- I really donít think Perseus can be classified in this Trope at all, as he was one of the few decent males heroes in Greek Mythology, a loving and faithful husband; an incredible rarity his Greek Mythology and some myths and mythografers; Robert Graves included; agree that he was an extreme Papa Wolf to the people he ruled over in adulthood to the point that actually battled Dionysus for his people. In fact, he mostly considered the poster Ė boy Nice Guy amoung the Greek Heroes
04:20:18 AM Oct 18th 2010
Not an example: trope refers to mothers.
- One of the major themes of The Proposition is that Very Bad Men Love Their Brothers. Especially their mentally-handicapped kid brothers.
08:45:40 AM Aug 3rd 2010
Do we have an equivalent trope for bad men loving their fathers?
05:12:40 AM Aug 5th 2015
There is Daddy's Little Villain
09:51:55 AM Aug 5th 2015
That is when both of them are villains. "bad men loving their fathers" would be something of a gender flip of this trope. "something" because only one of the two gender are flipped.
08:05:45 AM Aug 6th 2015
That would one a hundred percent gender flip of this trope. It can't be its own trope.
12:17:19 PM Aug 7th 2015
Why can it not be that way? I mean it accommodates for women who go unmentioned who really do love their dear dads.
10:34:26 AM Aug 10th 2015