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Mr.Wednesday
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09:03:37 AM Mar 16th 2010
What's with the new picture? The old one at least featured the Trope Namer, this is yet another example of Just A Face And A Caption.
FastEddie
moderator
01:02:35 PM Mar 16th 2010
Zapped it. Pictures are too much of a hassle on this one.
DalesKaine
10:25:43 PM Mar 19th 2010
Ah, yeah. Sorry about that, I'm the one who posted the picture, and I thought most people recognize the guy and caption would explain it all. Fan Myopia, I guess.
Mistermister
11:23:35 PM Apr 1st 2010
At the very least, I "moved" the picture to the video game section of Draco In Leather Pants. Seeing that the video game section now has an image of Sephiroth, should the other sections also have a picture? Or are they too much of a hassle and the one in the video game section should be zapped as well?
ading
04:40:50 AM Sep 19th 2011
edited by ading
A picture of the Trope Namer can still be JAFAAC. As for the current picture, even if you don't know who the character is, I would think you can still tell what the trope is about.
211.182.185.193
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05:06:42 AM Jul 27th 2010
I just looked up the Pantheons and I think the term Unreasonably Liked Villain might be the better title. I mean, come on, Draco In Leather Pants, not only I hate the character, it doesn't make any sense.
85.197.175.65
05:48:49 AM Jul 27th 2010
because this isn't just about a villain that you like very much this is about a villain that you try to rationalize
dRoy
02:16:23 AM Jul 31st 2010
Why is villain is (sometimes unreasonably) rationalized? Because they are unreasonably liked. Well, I never seen anyone trying to justify Light for one thing, although Eastern and Western fandom might have different views on such character.
KSonik
11:48:24 AM Jul 31st 2010
So? I still personally think the name should stay as draco is the poster boy for this trope. Also the are many liked villains that don't suffer this like Xykon from Order of the Stick
dRoy
02:12:44 AM Aug 1st 2010
Poster boy? Nah, that would be The 2008 Joker. Well, D is the most famous example, no doubt bout that.
dRoy
02:14:08 AM Aug 1st 2010
Also, it's my opinion that when people see a trope, they shouldn't be saying 'what the hell is that supposed to mean?'. Simplicity and comprehensibility is the virtue, ya know.
KSonik
08:10:47 AM Aug 1st 2010
You got a point you know. But maybe instead of changing the title to be Unreasonably Liked villain we should change it to Rationalized Villain
WeirdRaptor
09:21:34 AM Dec 19th 2010
Keep in mind that Draco ultimately turned out not to be a villain. A rename is in order.
MrDeath
08:56:46 AM Dec 20th 2010
Just because it turned out he wasn't EEEEEEEEEVIL doesn't mean he's not still the trope namer. He's someone who we're intended to hate because, while not evil, he's still bad, and the fandom overlook this entirely because his actor's pretty, so he's still a perfect example of the trope.
WeirdRaptor
02:23:52 PM Jan 9th 2011
Yeah, but the trops generally applies to genuinely evil characters.
MrDeath
09:01:04 AM Jan 10th 2011
edited by MrDeath
So? Being "genuinely evil" isn't a requirement at all. The trope is described thusly, "When a fandom takes a controversial or downright villainous character and downplays his flaws, often turning him into an object of desire in the process."

Note it says "or downright villainous". So the trope boils down to two criteria:

1. We're supposed to not like the character.
2. Fangirls/boys like him/her anyway and excuse his faults.

Whether or not someone is really "evil" has absolutely no baring on the trope listing. Draco Malfoy, if not evil, is supposed to be a sniveling little toad that we're supposed to hate, and fangirls turn him into a misunderstood bishi. That's as clear an example of the trope as you can get.
ading
02:59:13 AM Sep 25th 2011
Draco might not be a villain, but he's still a Jerk Ass. Also, "leather-pantsing" is a fan-speak term for this sort of thing after The Draco Trilogy. Everything You Wanted To Know About Changing Names says not to rename if it's a term already in use in the world.
MagBas
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04:53:43 AM Aug 28th 2010
  • Jerk Sue: If the fandom concurs with the author.

This trope have a bigger risk of be a Ron The Death Eater than Draco In Leather Pants.
KSonik
09:05:34 AM Aug 28th 2010
That is something I truly agree with
berr
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04:45:32 PM Oct 11th 2010
edited by berr
Loveable Rogue seems to be suffering from a hole in the categorization. Some folks at Sliding Scale Of Anti Heroes (and some of the description in the page) insist a Loveable Rogue does not really count as a Type II antihero (which I rather think it does — Type II or Type IV) but it's not listed here either. Is that because Draco In Leather Pants is strictly defined as a character you're supposed to dislike, whereas Loveable Rogue is a character you're supposed to like even when he commits crimes? Should this definitional distinction be mentioned on this page, or has the issue been covered somewhere?
MagBas
04:19:27 PM Oct 16th 2010
Based in the edit reasons in the Sliding Scale Of Anti Heroes this is not dracoinleatherpantsing- K Sonik"I kinda doubt thieves are really qualified for type II." Cclospina" Most lovable rogues are chaotic neutral, Generally are Type III Or IV."
Dagobitus
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04:32:12 PM Nov 24th 2010
There are many sexy villains. That is a standard Trope.

dlp is a non-sexy villain about whom Fangirls squee.

Movie Draco and Snape are beautiful and evil because Hollywood needs eye-candy. In the books, they are ugly and evil.

Fangirls squeeing at sexy villains is standard.

dlp = fangirls insisting that Draco being evil prooves that he is beautiful AND that his beauty prooves that he is good.

since
KSonik
topic
10:08:58 AM Dec 30th 2010
edited by KSonik
Removed Affably Evil and Anti Villain from the list. I am not too sure people necessarily think Affably Evil characters are necessarily good people, and I am sure there are more Anti Villains who are liked because of the fact they are morally ambiguous instead of having their actions whitewashed or otherwise
Jordan
11:10:13 AM Jan 6th 2011
I would keep Affably Evil at least. Tarquin in Order Of The Stick is certainly that and he's acquired a quite durable pair of leather pants among some fans of the comic. Although the DILP is often not all that affable, being Troubled But Cute, they are in some instances.
KSonik
topic
05:53:31 AM Jan 17th 2011
No way knight templars are prone to this trope.
azul120
08:25:10 PM Nov 1st 2011
A little late to replying to this, but they can be, when fans excuse their actions, as per this trope.
Yora
topic
10:58:36 AM Jan 31st 2011
This page is too long. The list of examples give very detailed explainations for each character, so the explaination of the trope at the top of the page doesn't need to be that long. If I am not familiar with this trope and see it referenced on another page, I want a short explaination that gets to the point, so I can decide if I want to read the examples or if it's something I don't care for. But this trope page is waaay too long. It should be cropped down to at least one half of the length, or even one third.
azul120
topic
01:09:53 AM Feb 8th 2011
Should this be a YMMV trope? I mean, it is based on fan reaction, but also relies on a quantifiable extent.
Kahran042
09:23:32 PM May 9th 2011
Yes.
RoadJam
topic
09:10:08 AM Jun 16th 2011
I turn your attention to the following lyrics from Boney M's Rasputin

Most people looked at him with terror and with fear But to Moscow chicks he was such a lovely dear

Good page quote perhaps?
ading
05:25:09 AM Aug 22nd 2011
edited by ading
I think the current quotes are just fine. You can put that on quotes if you like.
Mayyday
topic
01:09:34 PM Jan 14th 2012
I vote for a rename on the grounds that neither I nor anyone else who has not read Harry Potter knows what the HELL this trope is about based on the title. Who the hell is Draco? Why are leather pants important?
azul120
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01:55:48 PM Feb 3rd 2012
Putting this out here right now in lieu of a TRS thread (currently at 500 limit). Troper troacctid made a change to Ron The Death Eater, erasing all examples not having to do with fanfic, because "they weren't sourced", and apparently to him, it's a fanfic-only trope. I was wondering what the rest of you thought, since DILP still has fandom reaction examples, which is as it should IMO.
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