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Does an example count if the death itself is presented as tragic, or not?
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These damned portmanteau couple names have got to go, people. Aside from being excruciatingly cutesy and stupid (I've hated it since the first time I heard Ben Affleck Jennifer Lopez as "Bennifer"), it makes it hard to figure out just who the fuck we're talking about.
I just cleaned out the Glee examples of portmanteaus, and in one case, I couldn't figure out what one of them was. And I've seen the show, at least up to the third season.
Remember, these examples are meant to be potentially read by people who have never seen the works in question. The portmanteaus are a bad practice, for the same reason we are cautioned against examples that have no more context than "X...just X."
Are there any instances of fans of the Official Couple committing this?
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I don't think so. While not impossible this is hatered for getting in the way of one's OTP, and if they're Official Couple the no one does get in the way. While still possible against Romantic False Lead, i wouldn't really expect it.
Does it count if the author is the one killing characters who threaten a canon relationship? I removed this Illiad example from /Literature because I don't think it counts as an example, but I'm leaving it here for discussion in case others disagree.
- Older Than Feudalism: Done by none other than the author himself: The Iliad is, in the end, all about the Greeks wanting Helen to come back to her lawful husband Menelaus by killing Paris (who also violated Sacred Hospitality to kidnap Helen) and the Trojans who wants Helen to stay with Paris or, after his death, his brother Deiphobus. In the end the Greeks bring this to the logical conclusion of killing Paris and Deiphobus in painful and gory ways: Paris is killed by Philoctetes, who wounds him in the bow hand, the eye and the heel with Herakles' arrows dipped in the horribly poisonous and painful blood of the Hydra, while, during the sack of Troy, either Odysseus or Menelaus himself hacks Deiphobus into pieces.
I don't think it normally counts (That would be Death of the Hypotenuse), but i'd say this specific example still counts as in-universe example with Greeks as shippers, Helen/Menelaus as their OTP and Paris as the one getting hate for being in the way for a ship. Still this would need a rewrite, as it's the greeks who do this in-universe rather than the author.
Okay i've found reeeally weird example of this trope: A girl is subjected to this in-universe(from a Shipper on Deck) inside her own shipfic. Where and how should i put it?
The main page claims that this is a sub-trope of Alternative Character Interpretation. Why? Sure, this usually involves the demonization of canon characters, but wouldn't that make it a sub-trope of Ron the Death Eater.
um...Hi. In the the western animation. I put the examples into three folders. The first "Die for our Het(straight pairings) ship, the second, "Die for our Ho Yay Ship and the third extra (Die for our Incest,etc Ship)(....I wasn't sure where to put Ben/Gwen). I hope this is alright. There may be some examples in the first folder I missed or left in the wrong folder(because I'm not familiar with the show or it's fandom) If that's the case, please correct it for me.
I also gave South Park it's own page of this trope. I'm very sorry, if there was any inconveniences and I hope I didn't cause any trouble.
May I ask a question about the Cloud/Tifa relationship in FFVII? Under "Final Fantasy" in Die for Our Ship, it says that Aerith is canonically dead by the end of FFVII. Yes, she is - but is that supposed to mean that Cloud can only love Tifa?
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I don't really pay attention to shipping unless it causes a problem on the wiki. My biggest ship would be malefemale Shepard and I know that's highly unlikely and certainly not canon. However after the recent issues I came across a video that got me thinking. It kind of asserts that there wouldn't be a CloudAerith pairing, but if you like I can show you and discuss it, if the evidence that argues CloudTifa is strong enough it would be sufficient to disprove the thinking I have on this subject.
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Is the video fanmade, or is it an FMV from FFVII, or is it from Advent Children/Complete? Fanmade videos are just opinions.
I was asking because of an article I saw on Tumblr the other day saying that Cloti's not canon. It was interesting:
http://aerithbunny.tumblr.com/post/22764781619/why-cloti-is-not-canon
That article basically says there is no canon couple for FFVII, and it makes a helluva lot of sense.
I'd go with that. I don't profess to be an expert, and I certainly don't wish to poke holes in your chosen ship or what you're setting out to achieve. However I saw a video that I'll post the link to below. Part of the story is Cloud being able to grow up and move on. That I think would be a safe comment to make. With that said, there is nothing to say that he didn't love Aerith at the time or that he doesn't still love her, but...well...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9JwfMOdlIE&feature=player_detailpage#t=397s
If Cloud is able to move on, not so he forgets or falls out of love with Aerith would he still be pining over her? Would Aerith herself want that? If memory serves Aerith would have been happy for Cloud to be with Tifa.
Again I'm not trying to sink that ship or say Cloud and Tifa is canon, but if there is evidence that suggests one way or another then it should be strong enough to suggest what I'm saying doesn't hold water.
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The video you linked to is just someone's opinion. I'm talking about what was officially said by Square Enix.
The article I linked to says that Square Enix says in three different official sources that which version of the Highwind scene a player gets depends on Tifa's affection level with Cloud.
That means that how Cloud feels about Tifa changes according to the Date Mechanism. If the Date Mechanism changes how Cloud feels about Tifa, then it changes how Cloud feels about Aerith, too.
If that's true, then I don't see how anyone can say there's a canon couple in FFVII. Cloud might fall for Aerith. Cloud might fall for Tifa. Who knows? It could go either way.
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I don't get why some fans got to such lengths to push a fan preferred couple on other fans.
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Could someone give me a link to the trope picture, I've been trying to find it and I can't.
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http://browse.deviantart.com/?qh=§ion=&global=1&q=avatar+shipping#/d1mcc3v
Here it is!
Should we have the image linked to this picture instead of A:TLA, or keep it as it is?
Thank you, apparently it was in my favorites on Deviantart... I should have looked harder for it.
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Should we put this trope in the Scrappy Index? I mean, this is about a character who is hated by the fandom for Shipping reasons.
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Well, since no one answered me, I have already done it.
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"More often, though, when Shipping comes into play, the character is hated just for existing at all. "
This just isn't true! It's misleading. Die For Our Ship is about hating a character for getting in the way of a fan's OTP. It's no more about hating them for existing than the hate that The Scrappy or The Wesley gets. In fact, definitely isn't hating them simply for existing — as the page itself says, many of the people hated under this trope are existing characters who weren't hated at all until they were paired up in a way that interfered with a fan-preferred couple. This trope is the exact opposite of hating a character simply for existing; it's hating a character for one highly-specific reason related to one part of the plot.
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I agree wholeheartedly with you. In the first season of Digimon I thought that Matt was a very likable character, but the second season pairing him up with Sora made me like him a whole lot less.
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Is it this trope if the character was canonically as bad as the shippers describe them? Vide: the Persona 5 example (which I'm not quoting here because of spoilers).
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