Main Deceptive Disciple Discussion

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02:53:37 PM Apr 22nd 2010
This may just be my fanboyishness seeping in, but while the title is fitting for the description, wouldn't "Now I Am The Master" be a more catchy, recognizable, and explanatory title for this specific trope?
04:44:02 PM Apr 22nd 2010
Actually, I think you might have a point. The title Deceptive Disciple implies a character like Judas, who's ostensibly a loyal disciple but ends up betraying the leader in the end. Nothing about that implies that the disciple usurps control of the organization for his own purposes.
05:44:04 PM Apr 22nd 2010
I actually did see the title and assumed that the page was like Finding Judas.
05:53:03 PM Apr 23rd 2010
So...should it be moved then?
11:38:06 AM Jun 1st 2010
Restarting this discussion—should the page be moved or not?
02:31:58 PM Jun 1st 2010
In light of the fact that no one seems to care but us...I give you Now I Am The Master. This page has been changed to a redirect.

New problem- while changing redirects, I realized that an awful lot of them refer to the implied meaning of this title- a disciple who is merely deceptive as opposed to one who usurps and become more powerful than his former master. Do we have a trope for this concept, or do we need to propose it on YKTTW?
12:02:49 PM Jun 2nd 2010
Other new problem—it's been moved back, because (despite being far more fitting) Now I Am The Master is apparently a "poor title" and has once again been moved.
09:14:23 PM Jun 2nd 2010
edited by FastEddie
Huh? Now I Am The Master just entirely sucks. It's first person, looks like a line of dialogue, won't fit in a sentence, and does not describe the trope.
10:26:39 PM Jun 2nd 2010
Upon more careful consideration it occurs to me that we're going at this the wrong angle- it's the definition that needs changing, not the name. Is it really necessary for us to have the stuff about the disciple stealing something from the master so he can exceed the master's power? Before it was deleted this page had a classical portrait of Judas. While I think we can all agree that Judas was a Deceptive Disciple, he wasn't trying to become bigger than Jesus in the process.
11:07:32 PM Jun 2nd 2010
Makes sense. I'll make that adjustment.