Main Darth Vader Clone Discussion

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Gagaga_Madness
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11:29:26 AM Aug 17th 2016
Wait, the text with Sally O'Neil doesn't say why she really is this trope.

Should I erase it? Or she really is one and the text is poorly phrased?
Nithael
08:27:22 AM Aug 18th 2016
Cut it. It doesn't explain how she fits at all.
Gagaga_Madness
04:40:06 PM Aug 18th 2016
Done.
Gagaga_Madness
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01:57:25 PM Aug 15th 2016
edited by Gagaga_Madness
I do wonder, would Judai Yuki (as Haou Judai) from Yu-Gi-Oh! GX in Season 3 be one? He did have some of the traits: OK, no. He does wear a regular mask in his helmet though. CHECK. Check. Judai disappeared for a few episodes until Jim and O’Brien heard about Haou and they didn’t know that it was their friend until he removed his mask. He also killed Jim, who then continued to guide O’Brien to save Judai after that. Check. Does a duelist who uses The Sacred Darkness count?
  • Is sometimes The Dragon instead of the Big Bad, as the original Vader was. In this case, the Darth Vader clone often supports a physically weaker, less combative, or more magical evil mastermind.
More of an Arc Villain, but the real Big Bad (Yubel) was The Man Behind the Man to him.
  • May also have complex motivations that make him/her more of an Anti-Villain, although still somewhat dark.
Check, as a Well-Intentioned Extremist trying to avenge his friends’ death via completing the Super Polymerization card and ruling the world to defeat all of evil. Or something like that, GX was very Mind Screw.
  • Speaks in a really deep voice. Expect his/her voice to either sound metallic or machine-like as well if possible, which is tied to the mask, armor, and fall from grace.
Check, somewhat. Judai’s voice is deeper as Haou and in a Creepy Monotone. And it is with electronic effects in the dub.
  • Carries a weapon. Commonly a sword. Bonus points if it's red.
That buzzsaw duel disk. OK, no. Check.
  • May sometimes be the main character.
Check.

Bonus Points: The way he fell is reminiscent of how Anakin fell, by being too impulsive as he tried to save someone he cared about. (And may count as Love Makes You Crazy depending how you look at it)

Seriously, look at the guy. There is no reason for him to be looking like that unless it was a deliberate Shout-Out.
Nithael
08:25:37 AM Aug 18th 2016
Having watched the anime a long time ago I say he counts, the only major differences being that the Supreme King was the Big Bad of his arc and didn't answer to anyone (even Yubel wasn't actually his boss) and his armor not being life support.
Gagaga_Madness
04:27:09 PM Aug 22nd 2016
Very well. I just have problems coming up with a good text, but don't worry.
Eagal
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10:35:42 AM Sep 18th 2013
So like I've said, going by the list Obito doesn't fit. He's The Dragon with a deep voice and a mask. Even adding Fallen Hero into the mix there's tons of characters out there that fit these qualifications and aren't Vader Clones. May well say Durbe from Yugioh Zexal is a Darth Vader Clone. Deep voice, mask, fallen hero. These things alone do not a Vader make.

  • None of these are comparable to Tobi of Naruto. He is Obito Uchiha, who was the direct parallel to Naruto until he suffered grievous injuries, resulting in replacing his crushed half of the body with an artificial body. He then gain a Mask, then a Freudian Excuse to become a Fallen Hero, and The Heavy Dragon of The Man Behind the Man. He speaks in a really deep voice. He then ended up battling his former teacher, Minato the Fourth Hokage, and being responsible for the man's death, and love to turn heroes to his side so he can betray his master. Japanese Vader, say hello to your fanbase.

tarentel
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03:14:25 PM Sep 8th 2012
Removed this example:

"Darth Malak from Knights of the Old Republic is possibly the most obvious Darth Vader expy."

While Malak shares a few characteristics with Vader, he does not fit this trope. First and most obviously, his armor is red, not black, his "mask" does not cover his entire face, and he is not a cyborg (well, other than his jaw). Second, his relationship with the main protagonist is completely different; Master and apprentice rather than son and father. He is also the Big Bad and not The Dragon.

If anyone thinks this example should be re-added post your arguments here.
MithrandirOlorin
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07:53:43 AM Jun 24th 2012
The only Anime example here is also called a Char Clone, but isn't Char himself arguably a Darth Vader Clone?
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