Main Console Wars Discussion

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08:06:54 AM Nov 12th 2014
Anyone else agree the Eight Gen sections (both for consoles and handhelds) are agressively tl;dr?
08:54:17 AM Nov 12th 2014
Yes, that is really long.
08:49:19 AM Nov 15th 2014
The main problem I see is that the sections were clearly written based on trade show presentations and the pages were "updated" by sticking new developments at the end instead of rewriting the bloody thing (see for example "The Ouya looks like a serious contender- wait, it's a piece of shit, nvm lol"). Most of the section reads like an advertisement.
04:42:18 PM Dec 1st 2014
Agreed, the recent generations need an overhaul. Another issue I see affecting nearly all folders is that the net is cast too wide - for example, Seventh Gen includes Zeebo and Hyperscan, and other folders include sections on kiddie edutainment systems; but really, who cares about those? We can trim things further if we drop them.
04:57:37 PM Dec 5th 2014
I went ahead and nuked some of the lesser consoles, but I'm sure I didn't get all of them. In some sections I'm not sure which ones are worth mentioning and which aren't; hopefully someone with better perspective can get those.
09:49:58 PM Mar 14th 2014
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As a PC main myself, why are they not considered a part of console wars? It's true games are one small part of what they're made for, but if console Flame Wars are anything to go by, it's definitely a serious contender. PC vs console is another war, but still... After viewing the PC Vs Console page, I think I understand this better.
12:37:59 AM Apr 8th 2013
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Hm... [[WMG]]Playstation Orbis, eh?[[WMG]]

All right, so the Zeo character is named Orbus. Still...
02:20:30 PM Feb 20th 2013
Under eighth-generation consoles, how does the Steambox fit in?
02:32:07 PM Feb 20th 2013
It's a prebuilt PC, not a console.
12:28:51 AM Feb 4th 2013
Is it just me? Or are there dozens of backhanded snide comments about Nintendo on this page?
02:31:53 AM May 30th 2013
We should clean that up then. This should be a neutral page with no backhanded remarks against any company.
12:48:00 AM Dec 28th 2011
I'm bringing this to discussion, because that 7th gen section is definite fodder for it. Although mobile devices are rapidly showing that they have the hardware to compete with current gen hand-helds, they are (so-far) not considered as such by the main developers - which basically rush out "lite" versions of major releases for $5 - at most. In essence, it's treated as a curiosity, or a way to make a few extra bucks off of an additional source.

Now, does that mean they shouldn't be treated as gaming hand-helds? No, after all, they are hand-helds, and you can game on them; but it does mean that they shouldn't be compared to systems like the DS and PSP - because they're not competing - on any level, at least yet.

Most of the reason for this boils down to two important facts. First, mobile games generally sell for between $1 and $6, which is, at most, $14-$24 cheaper than your average handheld game. So of course they're going to sell incredibly well! Second, people, in general, don't buy mobile devices for gaming - whether it to be a stylish way of making calls, or for productivity apps, there's always a different primary purpose. You can't say the same about the DS or the PSP - which are bought exclusively for hand-held gaming.

For now, I'd say leave em out of the console wars - at least until they do start actually competing against the two existing handhelds. Eventually game developers are going to start selling Android/iOS versions of the games they make for DS/PSP, for similar prices, and then - they will be competing. Until then, iPhones and DROI Ds are in an entirely different category - competing amongst only themselves.
07:08:45 PM Jun 3rd 2012
Phones may not be competing as consoles, but they are competing with consoles—and, from the sounds of things, they are winning. Sales of consoles and console games are down, which some attribute to the length of the generation, but others are pointing to phone games and the convenience thereof.

Do they count as consoles? Frankly, that's somewhat irrelevant, because—whether they do or not—they are having an impact on the Console Wars. For that reason they need to be included, even if only as some sort of Canon Foreigner or Big-Lipped Alligator Moment.

That's my opinion, worth what you paid for it.
03:49:23 PM Jun 15th 2012
I would leave them out of the console wars themselves. However I do feel they deserve to be mentioned in the article itself due to the fact that, as slvstrChung has said, they have had an impact on the market.
06:13:09 PM Feb 5th 2011
Add a seventh-and-a-half generation.

Here's a thought: With the Move and Kinect being add-ons to their consoles, why don't we split the already large section on the 7th gen and call it 7th-half?
06:07:53 AM Jul 2nd 2011
I know they're not consoles, but shouldn't 8-bit and 16-bit home computers be included in this? They were mostly used to play games after all.
04:37:43 PM Sep 7th 2010
"However, shrewd business decisions and pricing on Nintendo's part meant that while they lost market share, the company may have ended up comparably profitable to their competitors, at least the ones not named Sony." I'm wondering what is meant by "comparably". It is true that Nintendo is the only one of the big three that has never been in the red (in fact, Nintendo has never been in the red in the past hundred years) and that Sony and Microsoft have managed to blow all their profits in the latest generation (Sony somehow managed to go so far into the red to negate all their PS 1 and PS2 profits), but this comment is... rather vague. Perhaps someone should find reliable statistics for each generation, both in terms of sales and profits instead of just saying "x did better than y".
04:55:51 PM Sep 28th 2010
Also, who added "at least those not named Sony" to the end? Nintendo has consistently maintained profitability, even compared to Sony at its height.
06:15:29 AM Jun 28th 2010
Pandora Console
06:22:31 AM Jun 28th 2010
Someone who has much better style than I should go here and add the information about this open source gaming console and add it into the console wars article.
07:33:15 AM Jun 28th 2010
Please. We were all amateurs once. Give it a shot yourself and trust Wiki Magic to fix your errors.
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