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DaibhidC
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06:16:44 PM Jul 3rd 2010
edited by DaibhidC
I was thinking of adding the third strip on this page of Narbonic as a parody, mentioning the specific strips it takes off. But I only recognise the first one (Questionable Content) and the third one (Something Positive). Anyone know what the other two refer to?
wyvirn
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09:14:16 PM Sep 27th 2010
Does Cowboy Bebop have a place here? Yes, the finale had a lot of drama, but I don't think the resolution of the series counts. Also, it had humor and drama throughout, although one doesn't completely overshadow the other.
xGreenling
01:20:56 PM Mar 18th 2011
edited by xGreenling
There are a lot of works listed on the trope page that never started out as comedies. Even a very serious work will generally start from a Lighter And Softer angle just because throwing dark dark dark all up in the audience's faces makes it hard to get into a work. Like Fullmetal Alchemist - the first few volumes have a lighter tone, before the story really gets going... Or even more, Avatar - the series gets darker as the war progresses and Aang comes to terms with his role as its saviour - but unless I'm seriously misunderstanding the definition of Cerebus Syndrome, I don't think those are really examples.
LoneWolfEburg
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03:06:18 AM Oct 14th 2010
What's the difference between that and Darker And Edgier? I suppose, the latter is considered more superficial and harmful to the work in question, while Cerebus Syndrome is a more neutral description?
EsotericWombat
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01:51:58 PM Oct 20th 2010
edited by EsotericWombat
I'm going to post Eric Burns' definition here, because it doesn't seem to have carried over. Cerebus Syndrome isn't about sliding towards drama and away from comedy. It's about adding drama to comedy. Sometimes the comedy gets toned down as a result, but it isn't a key feature. Ideally, the work in question gets funnier as a result of Cerebus

Cerebus Syndrome: The effort to create character development by adding layer upon layer of depth to their characters, taking a character of limited dimension (or meant to be a joke character) and making them fuller and richer. The idea is to take what was fun on one level and showing the reality beneath it. 'Cerebus Syndrome' refers to Dave Sim's epic, sometimes tragically flawed magnum opus, Cerebus the Aardvark. Cerebus started life as a parody of Conan the Barbarian starring an Earth-Pig born. Over time, it grew extremely complex, philosophical, and in many ways much much funnier. Then, Dave Sim went batshit crazy and Cerebus went straight to Hell, but that's for another day. People saw how Cerebus's humble roots could lead to glorious heights, and as cartoonists get bored with what they're doing, they decided to pull a Cerebus of their own.

Boredom is generally the key to a Cerebus Syndrome attempt. After a while, even a successful webcartoonist gets tired of fart jokes and sight gags and wants to make these characters more than they've been.

It is extremely hard to take a light, joke a day strip and push it through a successful Cerebus Syndrome. Dave Sim did it in stages, and at least in the early days of the transformation brought massive amounts of Funny to cover it over. Done perfectly, one only realizes in hindsight that the strip has turned out to be quite different than it used to be. Done sloppily, the Cerebus Syndrome fails, and the webcomic enters First and Ten Syndrome. Unfortunately, a failed Cerebus Syndrome is an excruciating process for the webcomic's fans to endure.

Please note that one can continue to bring the Funny while going for Cerebus Syndrome — and in fact, probably should. It is far more common to drop the Funny, which increases geometrically the chance to fall into First and Ten. Note also that not all strips that bring heavy Story, mix humorous and serious elements, and have bad things happen to their characters are undergoing Cerebus Syndrome (or First and Ten Syndrome, for that matter). It's only those strips that began on a very light, even limited dimension level and then transform into something different that really shoot for the Cerebus Syndrome. So, Sluggy Freelance, which started out mostly humorous and now has a healthy dose of the Funny and the Story (with occasional forays into sequences like "Fire and Rain") is that rarity of rarities — a successful Cerebus Syndrome. Digger and For Better or for Worse, on the other hand, had complex characterization from day one, and cannot be said to be in Cerebus or First and Ten. Got it? Good. There will be a quiz.
bulmabriefs144
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03:34:13 AM Dec 28th 2011
Hey guys, shouldn't it be Cerberus Syndrome? Cerberus was the multi-headed dog. Unless it refers to this. At the very least, we should make redirects.
bulmabriefs144
03:36:47 AM Dec 28th 2011
edited by bulmabriefs144
Oh, nvm, I saw the caption. It is based off of Cerebus the Aardvark. Though the whole two headed thing is a source of confusion, so redirects to the the correct spelling are valid. Normally, improper spelling is discouraged as a redirect, but since there's the more famous example in Greek mythology, leading away from it (and let's face it, the multi-headed dog analogy does sort of work in a story), it's best to be done this way.
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