Linking to a past Trope Repair Shop thread that dealt with this page: Misused
, started by ShorinBJ on Dec 16th 2018 at 2:01:34 AM
Previous Trope Repair Shop thread: Needs Help, started by Lychee on May 29th 2014 at 9:14:22 PM
It's super effective.
(Copy and paste from Characters.Doctor Who New Series Companions Discussion)
Removed this. Even if she's a valid example, the example in question is under scrutiny and almost making her a scapegoat. This isn't saying the opinion of whether or not Rose is a good or bad companion is wrong, mind. That's up to the individual.
- While we're on the topic of the Doctor's companions, Rose could be a bit of a bitch to Mickey as well. She abandoned him for a year (accidentally making him a murder suspect), kept disappearing for months at a time, and got mad when she heard that he was dating someone else. This quote from when she first leaves with the Doctor illustrates this:
Rose: Thanks.Mickey: For what?Rose: Exactly.
No, the months at a time thing is probably the fault of the driver, especially as it's a time machine that can theoretically arrive 12 hours after their last stop off (and I think in The Lazarus Experiment, it DID). Plus, as much of a burn the "exactly" quote is, a lot of characters treat him that way. I think even his parallel universe double does that.
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Another point: complaining when Mickey has a girlfriend? Picking the scene line-by-line, it's not as clear-cut as that.
She got mad because Mickey was dating someone she called "nice", and also knew was completely incompatible. When Rose says that he doesn't even like the woman, Mickey says "At least I know where she is" and that he can't be with a "stupid woman from a shop" because of how he runs for Rose every time she returns to present-day Earth. From this, along with only mentioning the "other woman" after Rose catches Mickey up on where she's travelled to and after Mickey suggests a hotel room, it's very strongly implied that Mickey isn't seeing someone.
Mickey is far more unpleasant, conclusion-jumping, not to mention clingier than the worst of Rose's moments, at least here. Regardless of how to take the "exactly" line from the episode "Rose", it was a messy breakup, and when Mickey walks off at the end of "Boom Town", she basically lets him go rather than continue dragging him through the mud (which I'd argue is more Mickey's perception than actual fact). If she has her bad decisions, she is not consistently horrible, and clearly wants to give it another chance (she still doesn't consider herself and the Doctor an item), but the world ending and Mickey's pride arguably got in the way.
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Ed Edd N Eddy: Ed's sister Sarah plays this part in almost every early episode on the show.
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Examples? It doesn't seem like you understand the meaning of this trope. It's not a bout a character who is a bitch/you think is a bitch. It's about a character that pretends to be nice and sweet, but is really nasty and manipulative.
Hodor
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Because farmers are corrupt, but bandits are corrupt, and samurai are corrupt; why would anyone risk their lives for anyone? - Kikuchiyo
Ok, does someone want to say why the many comments that were left here asking for the name of this trope to be changed were deleted?
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^Because this isn't the proper place (It's Trope Repair Shop) and because they are too weak for a rename.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
^Yes. "It's offensive" has since ever been a "not a reason to rename" thing. This goes extra if the word has over time lost its connotations, and here we have already lost much of the "questionable" meaning.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
" we have already lost much of the "questionable" meaning"
[citation needed]
According to Wikipedia, the name has different connotations depending upon context. Just because it's offensive in some contexts does not mean it is to be renamed here.
^Legitimate or not:
- It's a topic for the forums, not the discussion pages.
- The policy is very clear that "offensive" is not a reason to rename something.
- The name is offensive for a reason.
DARTHYAN
Doe the girl from Elfen Lied (the one who told the bullies) count? There is speculation that Lucy might have been so upset and angry that she saw a smile that didn't exist. There's reasonable evidence for both sides.
Could we change the name of this trope?
"Bitch" is a very loaded term to use to describe a woman. Most women have experience with it being used against them in extremely threatening ways. It's a very violent term, and it drives women away from wanting to see the wiki.
In terms of confusing tropers, it leads people to think it's only-female.
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This has come up before. Many people, including women, voted no on changing it because quite frankly the thought is ridiculous.
I cut up one dozen new men and you will die somewhat, again and again.
Also it follows the same format as A Wolf in Sheep's Clothing, metaphorical canines. The difference being that a wolf is more dangerous, while the bitch's bark is worse than its bite. Besides, bitch has been applied as a verb to both genders, making it more gender neutral than you seem to think _influencethis. Oh, and its not like this wiki doesn't use other trope names with gender specific and insulting titles in gender neutral and inoffensive ways, like in Magnificent Bastard, a term used in similar derogetory ways towards men that has been applied in context to those villians of all genders who manage to endear themselves to us through the style and pizzaz of their villainy, no matter how vile it gets.
all sonic is one too, and prince charming from sherk!!!!
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- Teen Titans Trouble In Tokyo: Raven, from her lethal attitude towards BB, mostly physical.
[[CharClone Dark Komet]]
Lets try Ieyasu from Sengoku Otome she has the innocent cuteness in her fake niceness and the evil grin as her true self
Darkness is The Power of Life
chibiusa/rini in sailormoon acts like a sweet and cute girl to usagi's parents and her brother but really a rude, selfish spoiled brat towards usagi and others!!!
vega in street fighter may look like a handsome gentleman but he's really a psychotic killer!!!
The Grim Adventures Of Billy And Mandy: Mandy, Billy's sister, she's demonically sadistic as she is bitchy.
- Cat Dog: Shriek Dubois the Poodle, She's the female member of The Greaser Dogs Gang. The Episode: "The Lady is a Shriek" really makes this trope known.
- -> "I'm a GIRL!"
- South Park: Not Only Sheila Broflovski, but also Sharon Marsh, Shelly Marsh, Mayor Mc Daniels, Principal Victoria, Mrs. Crabtree, Barbra Streisand, and Paris Hilton, plus Jennifer Lopez, Etc.
spyro may look like a cute innocent purple dragon, but he's a selfish, cocky,arrogent, rude dragon!!!!
dimono from mewtwo returns, she looks like an innocent girl, but really a team rocket!!!!
Linking to a past Trope Repair Shop thread that dealt with this page: Title is Sexist, suggest rename.
, started by Selph00 on Dec 14th 2010 at 8:47:21 PM
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman