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MarqFJA
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03:20:10 PM Nov 13th 2012
edited by MarqFJA
This trope requires that the character be in an actual relationship, right? Because I see several examples that are merely "a sexy woman/girl who is very sadistic and/or domineering", without said woman being in any relationship.
Xzenu
03:28:00 AM Nov 14th 2012
edited by Xzenu
Nah, the trope was simply renamed "bastard girlfriend" from the previous title "abusively sexy woman" without getting redefined or repurposed in the process. The examples are legitimate. Hmm, should probably add a clarification to the description. Looking into it right away.

Edit: Looked into it now, and the secod paragraph already states: "She is more likely than her male counterpart to be a temporary sexual encounter rather than a long-term girlfriend."
MarqFJA
03:56:12 AM Nov 14th 2012
Okay, but what about "examples" like Street Fighter's Juri Han, The King of Fighters' Vice, or Soulcalibur's Ivy (she's got the trope listed on the character sheet)? None of them are even close to being sexual/romantic encounters in the slightest.
Xzenu
06:17:36 AM Sep 9th 2013
Sounds like misuse to me, but I'm not all that familiar with the works.

I see this trope as being about a narrative role, not just how somebody dress or such.
MarqFJA
07:25:28 AM Sep 9th 2013
Well, AFAIK all of the three characters do have a sultry, seductive personality in one way or the other.
Larkmarn
07:52:19 AM Sep 9th 2013
Ivy is also explicitly celibate so... yeah.

So wait, why is this Bastard Girlfriend if the woman doesn't even have to be in a relationship?
134.226.252.155
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06:02:36 AM Feb 3rd 2011
Is it worth adding a note to the effect that a lot of examples may fall under Rule of Funny or Comedic Sociopathy? Cartoon violence or dickish behaviour in a generally ridiculous world are not the same as graphic, realistic domestic abuse.
Xzenu
10:18:37 AM Feb 3rd 2011
No, I don't think any such note would contribute to this trope or to it's Spear Counterpart Bastard Boyfriend.
Xzenu
02:52:55 AM Feb 11th 2011
Moving from Headscratchers page:

  • Don Zabu: This page is basically one long Take That. I'm probably the only one who thinks this is bad or annoying.
  • Xzenu: Hopefully you are the only one who think it's a Take That in the first place. Why do you think that, and what do you think that it's a Take That against? As the one who started the trope, here's how it was adeveloped: I wanted to turn Bastard Boyfriend gender neutral, changing it into Abusively Sexy. But some people argued that a character being Abusively Sexy have different connotations depending on whether the character is male or female. And thus, I made two tropes: A gender neutral Abusively Sexy for the structural level, and this trope as a Distaff Counterpart for Bastard Boyfriend. Do you considr Bastard Boyfriend and Abusively Sexy to be Take That as well, or only this trope? In either case, why?
  • Don Zabu: I meant that this page is basically one long Take That against the trope it describes, and the people who don't realize how supposedly terrible it is, from the picture caption, the opening description, the example descriptions, etc. Perhaps "guilt trip" might've been better phrasing.
  • Xzenu: Huh? Didn't I write something about how only real people have real rights, that abuse is not truly immoral if the victim is fictional?... Checking, brb... Ok, I checked not. I did write that, but in the supertrope. Didn't know that this trope can come across the way you describe, we'll have to do something about that... hmmm... I bet the illustration/caption contributes to that? Maybe we can pick something from the Tomcats scene instead.


Okay, I have clarified the description a bit, including changing the illustration caption.
Xzenu
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10:41:03 AM Nov 16th 2010
Was on YKTTW under the name Abusively Sexy Bitch. Archive can be found here.
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