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02:50:09 PM Apr 11th 2017
Is the Nokia thing accurate? As far as I know, they're better remembered for indestructibility than low quality.
04:38:05 AM Nov 10th 2016
edited by DaibhidC
Sesame Street was never popular in the UK and only ran for a few years? Setting aside the sporadic ITV dates, it ran on Channel 4 from 1987-2001. Kids (and many parents) seemed to like it. The BBC's reasons for rejecting it in the seventies aren't just very BBC but very 1970s BBC, and don't necessarily reflect the attitude of the country as a whole. (And by the 21st century, even the Beeb thought there was something there, or they wouldn't have kept working with Sesame Workshop to create two different UK versions.)
05:14:16 PM May 22nd 2016
On M*A*S*H example: It says south koreans hate it as it portrays Korea as a war-torn, third-world country inhabited by prostitutes, criminals, and primitive morons. However, we should be reminded that it is set in [[the fifties]], when korea was exactly that. Which means is [[shown their work]]. It has actually liked by some korean viewer as it reminds them where they started. Although korea is now a first-world economic powerhouse,we should be reminded that it started as war-torn,third-world country.
02:42:39 PM Apr 18th 2016
Where would I put the following observation?

Walmart has been a global success story. However, their attempt to expand into Germany failed spectacularly, in part because Germany already has Aldi, Lidl and the likes and there was no possible niche for Walmart to get into (also the "big box" store is/was mostly a 1990s phenomenon that is mostly over in Germany or at least does not expand any more). Would this count as this trope or not?
01:57:07 AM Feb 7th 2016
Some of this require sources.

For instance, all of the modern Dreamworks films were shown in theaters in Japan (they had their ads for the movies).

Ressha Sentai To Q Ger isn't "hated by the Americans", through at least how the article puts it. Yes Saban has opted to skip it, but there was no mention as to why it was.
09:47:24 PM Jan 21st 2015
This (Australian) troper s self-professedly not familiar enough with the online media to be sure, hence why I'm asking here, but does Agitha from her appearance in Hyrule Warriors count? She certainly fits the archetype of "token Moe girl in a fighting game" character well enough, being a cutesy little Cloud Cuckoo Lander Friend to Bugs who dresses up in fancy clothes. Especially when you consider that Twilight Princess has The Group (Rusl, Auru, Ashei and Shad) or even freaking King Bulblin as potential fighters instead.
10:32:44 AM Jan 29th 2015
edited by PDL
From what I've gathered, I don't think she's hated enough to qualify for this trope. At most, she's considered an odd choice for Hyrule Warriors, but she's still one of the more memorable NPC characters in Twilight Princess.
11:03:14 AM Jan 29th 2015
Yeah, I'd say since she was closer to an Ensemble Darkhorse in TP.

... actually, your writeup seems to have nothing to do with this trope. You've made no mention of her popularity in her native country, nor any mention of her unpopularity in other regions.
03:33:35 AM Jan 8th 2015
edited by flamemario12
Despite my negative opinion about this show, I think Cross Ange doesn't qualify as Americans Hate Tingle.

1. There's actually some peoples who actually enjoyed Cross Ange and it's not hard to find. Cross Ange is actually something I would like to call it Love It or Hate It. Some tropers liked it, some tropers hates it, some tropers liked this show for its ridiculousness

2. The Blu-Ray has Nana Mizuki event ticket. Many peoples are Nana Mizuki's fans.
04:42:48 PM Dec 13th 2014
Cuteness is extremely popular in Japan. However, it can be viewed as bizarre and just plain weird for Americans since cuteness is sometimes viewed negatively in the U.S. Does this count? Especially since cute merchandise is rarely exported outside of Japan.
02:22:38 AM Dec 14th 2014
I don't think an abstract concept counts for this.
10:35:40 AM Dec 15th 2014
Americans don't really hate cuteness either. Baby and pet videos on Youtube are incredibly popular worldwide, and there is a reason why Friendship Is Magic took off as it did.
10:43:21 AM Dec 15th 2014
I think that's covered by American Kirby Is Hardcore.
12:53:20 PM Nov 9th 2014
I think I speak for my country when I say we have no idea what the hell "Tingle" is, other than it sounds like "tinkle", a slang term for urination.
08:26:08 AM Dec 13th 2014
Which country might that be?
08:30:23 AM Dec 13th 2014
America, I think.
06:23:27 PM Sep 25th 2014
To just end this argument over if Avatar was aired in Japan or not, here is some evidence to prove that it did, on the Japanese version of Nickelodeon:
01:09:38 AM Sep 26th 2014
I would favour using the version before hydrix's edit by the way; his version looks like it's not the trope.
07:50:43 PM Mar 4th 2014
Who is Tingle?
10:57:03 PM Mar 4th 2014
A videogame character the trope was named after.
03:41:30 PM Dec 31st 2013
Light Novels in Japan could be unpopular in america. Like anime sports, Light novels should be added to the list.
12:37:53 AM Aug 28th 2014
edited by
Most Light Novels weren't imported in United State. That's why it's not popular. Unlike most Asian country, where many Light Novels got translated.

Whoops. My bad.
12:44:07 AM Aug 28th 2014
Also, we don't want general examples. Only specific works.
11:14:47 AM Dec 12th 2013
"Anime in general had been hated by Dutchmen in the 1990s. Back then, they were well-known there under the term "manga-movies" and used as a term for series whom only had violence and sex in them. Because of this, anime got terrible publicity there. Dutch anime fans were able to correct the imago of anime later on in the 2000s (Spirited Away, whom had won international prizes, also helped with that) but the influences are still there, such as the fact that Dutch still have the term "animephobia" in their dictionaries and the fact that many anime still don't get exported to the Netherlands. "

Wanted to explain this fenomenon a little more, because I don't want this to be confused with All Anime Are Naughty Tentacles.

I think it has more to do with a different cultural perception.

Dutch people have a more anti-violent approach to culture than Japanese, usually in Dutch media violence is rarely done and whenever it has to be depicted they tend to make it look cartoony (there are a few rare exceptions to this rule though, but not that much). This is probably one of the influences of comic books such as Jommeke (which the creator explicitly made to show that you can make fictional works without ever having the need to portray sex and violence), something that was already loved much earlier due to its characters, which Flemish and Dutchmen easily relate to. However due to so many Dutch shows taking much influence of those comic books, the Dutch perception of sex and violence became negative to the point where non-cartoony violence and legit sexualisation could be one of the most controversial things ever released in this country. Unfortunately, anime filled this gap, due to its violent nature and due to its art style that has a tendency to hypersexualise characters.

The above might also help explain what "animephobia" means to Dutchmen.

To end on a positive note, I will end up with summing up the reasons why anime is now more liked (even though there were, are and probably always will be Dutchmen who will hate anime on sight). One of them being that anime has over time become more Dutch conform, as there are in general more anime released, thus more chance that Dutch people can like it (shows like pokemon have a decent fanbase in the Netherlands). The other one being that over time more respect has been devoted towards sex and violence (one of the most successful comic books in the Dutch market (De Kiekeboes) has a Ms. Fanservice and depicts (for Dutchmen) realistically looking action scenes).
08:45:04 AM Dec 6th 2013
I'm going to cut this example down a bit, for a few reasons:

"Emil Castagnier of Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World also has a case of this. In the 5th Tales of Character Popularity Poll (in Japan), Emil came in 12th (out of every character in every Tales game). The majority of overseas fans hate him for being whiny, cowardly, effeminate and annoying. It certainly doesn't help that up until a certain point, in every fight he has to rely on his Superpowered Evil Side to fight for him. These flaws are ironically also present in Luke fon Fabre of Tales of the Abyss who is well recieved by American fans, although he doesn't suffer the same hate due to being a Crouching Moron, Hidden Badass whose annoying factors are overcome sooner... That said, there are some American fans who want to give Emil a hug."

There's already an extension to the comment defending Luke's flaws as exaggerated and critiqued and important to his character development. This person is absolutely right. In fact, not only are Luke's flaws better handled, but they're also entirely different from the reasons why most Tales fans hate Emil in the west. Firstly, Luke isn't really at all like he's described here. The reason why people don't like him is because he's spoiled and self-centered, not because he's cowardly. He's actually pretty brave from the outset, he just has severe guilt issues when it comes to killing human enemies. He's also got a well-explored excuse for his behaviour, tons and tons of character development, and, most importantly, his very existence doesn't depend on completely derailing a previous favourite. One of the biggest reasons people hate Emil isn't even mentioned here - that he's a Replacement Scrappy for Lloyd Irving, one of the most beloved, brave, and optimistic Tales heroes ever.

Also since when is being "effeminate" a flaw? Especially in Tales, because the three characters that immediately pop into my head as the most popular ever are Zelos, Jade and Yuri Lowell, and all of them get mistaken for girls on occasion, even in-universe. Please.
10:10:28 AM May 21st 2013
Don't know if this goes in Analysis but it seemed too opinionated and long for the main page.

  • Tidus' perception is, in part at least, influenced by how his father, Jecht, is perceived. In Japan, Jecht was supposed to be portrayed as a tragic and sympathetic villain, but not one whom you're supposed to agree with at all. Thus, Tidus is more popular in Japan because the Japanese think Tidus' complaints are more valid. In the United States, however, Jecht is a very popular character because he fits American notions of "manliness" and the methods he used to raise Tidus are seen as justifiable (America, for example, has lots of sports movies where coaches turn teams of terrible players into champions through strict disciplinarian teaching methods). Thus, to Americans, Tidus' complaints are not taken seriously. This is very ironic: usually, Americans react very badly to abusive parental figures, while the Japanese usually expect some level of harshness from authority figures. There's also another problem with Tidus: the entire point of his character arc is to make the Spirans recognize how horrible and phony their religion really is, and bring them real hope instead of the "false hope" of death. America has lots of fundamentalist religious figures who react very badly to religion being criticized. But the Japanese aren't quite as religious, so Tidus' criticisms of Spira aren't seen as quite so out of bounds there.
10:22:04 AM Mar 13th 2013
I think the 'general' examples are not really following how examples are meant to be written. That stuff all sounds like analysis to me. Should it be moved to that tab instead?
10:59:23 AM Mar 13th 2013
Yup. Go ahead and move it (preferably with the Example Indentation corrected); one of the notes in How to Write an Example is that general statements belong in the description (or in this case, the analysis page) and not in the example folders.
01:34:38 PM Mar 13th 2013
edited by willthiswork
Cool, I think I can handle that. Thank you.

Edit: posted at I took into account some of the other concerns with the examples meantioned below as well.
04:23:44 PM Feb 2nd 2013
edited by mistermissy
"Het is Ew gets a lot nastier in the US fandom. Any girl who is seen as getting in the way of the Ho Yay will instantly draw the fire of a thousand fanfics in English, leaving the Japanese fandom to wonder what all the fuss is about (a lot of yaoi fangirls there actually are happy to pair the girls up together at the same time)."

This isn't true. I've come across many Japanese fangirls who believe Het Is Ew. The fangirls are less vocal, rabid and numerous simply because they tend to be older. And what does pairing the girls up have to do with Het Is Ew? If anything, that's very common among fangirls who think Het Is Ew.

Also, this example reads like it's saying that Japanese fangirls don't bash the female characters in the way of Yaoi as much because they're more mature and enlightened. Perhaps that's true to a degree, but one has to note that homosexuality in Japan is not accepted in mainstream, most instances of it in anime/manga are merely shallow fanservice, and the characters involved are rarely actually homosexual. So Japanese Yaoi fangirls don't militantly obsess over their ships like western Yaoi fangirls do, but not for very good reasons.
03:18:51 AM Jun 28th 2012
edited by KonekoYoukai
Fellow girl tropers, does this sound odd to you?

"male characters that look pretty instead of manly and have hair that makes them look even prettier tend to be extremely popular in Japan, but is usually loathed everywhere else due to the different cultural values over how a man should look. For example, Raiden from Metal Gear Solid 2 has long bleached hair and a somewhat feminine/boyish looking face while Kratos from the God of War series is hugely muscular and has a goatee."

Um... I'm sorry, WHAT?
03:10:55 PM Jun 29th 2012
Okay, so I tried to fix it and it's apparently "natter". Any help here? I can't just leave this be without pointing out the relative popularity of bishounen among the female part of a fandom.
09:45:40 PM Dec 9th 2012
There are women who like Effeminate men everywhere, so that entry was horribly wrong.
06:28:41 AM Apr 9th 2012
Can someone par down this unholy pile of Thread Mode, please?
  • Football, known as soccer in the US, Canada, and Oceania, is the most popular sport in the world, but in the United States it's mostly played by kids of immigrants from Latin America. The opposite is true as well: while American Football is big in the States, the rest of the world (except Japan, apparently?) classifies it as: the game where slow, alcoholic, muscle bound freaks too chicken to lose the pads and play Rugby take a 20 minute break every time the ball touches the ground, and thus pass high school/college despite lacking the grades. (FYI, the pads were added by law because so many people were dying on the field. Until then, it was basically Irish Rugby.)
    • This is less true on the West Coast where Major League Soccer teams like the L.A. Galaxy and Seattle Sounders manage sellout crowds. This may be due in part to a much larger population of Mexican immigrants.
      • It's almost certainly the greater degree of 1st generation immigrants, as other places with a high concentration of people who were born and raised outside of the US tend to show a similar interest in the sport. Just try to go to a sports bar in NYC in one of the more ethnic neighborhoods and ask them to turn off the "soccer" game on the TV.
      • This troper lives in Seattle and can tell you the reason it's popular here is because (A) the Seattle Sonics moved to Kansas City, (B) Soccer was already popular up here (American Football is sometimes called "Hand egg" as a joke about the Football/Soccer name), (C) the Sounders have had amazing seasons and many Seattlites feel that the Sounders will become their big name sports team following the fall of the Mariners and the Seahawks (though, naturally YMMV ) and (D) the Northwest has always been big on sports so virtually every sporting event up here is a big deal to everyone. Except Penny Arcade of course.
      • Despite this, the USA has been big on Soccer mainly as a youth sport. It is the most popular recreational sport for both boys and girls (even bigger than Baseball) and many players in America's Big Four Team Sports (American Football, Baseball, Basketball, and Ice Hockey) have claimed to play soccer when they were young. Of course most players convert to one of the big four or a single or Olympic sport (Golf, Tennis, Nascar, etc...) when they grow older since more money and prestige can be gained in those sports though.
      • Though even if Americans are mostly apathetic with soccer/association football, they are still big into the FIFA World Cup. For example, Landon Donovan's last minute game winning goal against Algeria in 2010 was heavily celebrated across America. And more Americans bought tickets to South Africa for the 2010 FIFA World Cup than people from any other country but the hosts - more than England and Germany (two favorites and perennial powerhouses) combined. FIFA even gave the USA a World Cup in 1994 in hopes of increasing popularity, and it was the most attended World Cup ever both overall (3,587,538) and average per game (68,991)! For Soccer as a spectator sport outside the World Cup...well let's just say patience is a virtue.
        • But don't forget that the US has almost three times as many inhabitants as Germany and GB combined.
    • Soccer experienced a brief but explosive boom in the United States between the late 70s and the mid 80s with the North American Soccer League. Famed Monday Night Football sportscaster Howard Cosell predicted it would become one of the most popular sports in the nation, and for a few years, he was right. The NASL was big business, especially the New York Cosmos, which brought in some of the soccer world's biggest heroes (such as Pele himself and Franz Beckenbauer) to play for them. This led to an incredibly dominant team that won the championship five times - in a league that only played 15 seasons! Sadly, the NASL lost its TV deal when ratings were less than projected. It limped on for a few years before dying in 1984.
    • The same could also be said for Canada (minus the Opinion Myopia). Canada is more into American... err Canadian Football (although popularity is second to hockey of course) and soccer isn't really much of a spectator sport there, either. Of course much like in America, there are exceptions including Toronto, whom their MLS team manages to have what has been called the among the most diverse and rabid horde of fans in the entire league. Seriously, home games are a massive tide of raving red-jersey'd fans screaming themselves hoarse, and that's before the game starts! This may be largely due to the city's large immigrant population. Free advice for anyone planning on visiting Toronto: Whatever you do, DO NOT attempt to drive around College Street or The Danforth during Soccer season, especially if it's a World Cup year.
    • American-style football is also popular in Mexico. While nowhere near as popular as Association Football, it's the most popular minor league sport.
    • American Football also seems to be growing in popularity in Germany.
      • The NFL's attempt to generate interest in American football in Europe (World League/NFL Europe/NFL Europa) started out with one team in Germany (Frankfurt), a team in London and one in Barcelona. By the time the plug was pulled, five of the six teams were based in Germany.
    • American Football's popularity is steadily increasing throughout Europe and, to a lesser extent, Asia, where there are pro leagues in virtually every country and a cross-continental championship series.
    • Japan is mentioned above as is, but deserves a little further discussion. While Eyeshield 21 helped popularize American Football in the nation, it's been surprisingly popular there for quite a while - many universities have been fielding teams since the 1970s, and the pro league has been in operation since the 80s. Not only has Japan won the IFAF American Football World Cup twice, they hosted it in 2007, where they were runners-up to the US.
      • American Football is still a niche sport in Japan though; baseball, soccer/football, and rugby are far more popular than American football there.
    • South African soccer fans love their plastic trumpets, or vuvuzelas. Anybody watching The World Cup on TV finds them incredibly annoying. This is also partially because vuvuzelas are louder than a jackhammer and 140 dB, and instead of just being blown when the home team wins (like with noisemakers at football games), which would be fine, they play it CONSTANTLY. It's gotten so bad that referees and coaches can't make calls because of the noise.
    • Let's not forget that the word soccer actually comes from the British term Association Football. It was actually Canadians that introduced Americans to the game that we now call American football.
05:17:01 PM Feb 14th 2012
edited by ShayGuy
Can anyone cite a source for the A:TLA example? Beyond the easy bits like season 3 not getting dubbed?
09:14:33 PM Aug 23rd 2011
edited by Gr3mlinify
About the Football section...yeah...

  • Football, known as soccer in the US, Canada, and Oceania, is the most popular sport in the world, but in the United States it's considered a joke and mostly played by kids whose moms are afraid to let them play real sports (and the kids of immigrants from Latin America), or a game played by foreign guys with foreign sounding names on foreign teams. The opposite is true as well: while American Football is big in the States, the rest of the world (except Japan, apparently?) classifies it as: the game where slow, alcoholic, muscle bound freaks too chicken to lose the pads and play Rugby take a 20 minute break every time the ball touches the ground, and thus pass high school/college despite lacking the grades. (FYI, the pads were added by law because so many people were dying on the field. Until then, it was basically Irish Rugby.)

I agree with everything the editor is saying, and to their credit, they are providing both perspectives but....the much it really necessary?
07:50:10 PM Aug 4th 2011
Um, hello? I don't think the title is fair to me.
11:37:31 PM Jul 2nd 2011
Cut for being closer in spirit to Germans Love David Hasselhoff ("only popular in their country of origin" may not fit the spirit of Germans Love David Hasselhoff, but that doesn't make it this trope):
  • Australia has the largest transport trucks on earth called "Road Trains". Some take up two lanes and haul two, or even three trailers. Elsewhere, they'd be illegal simply because of the safety risks they pose to other drivers. That's because Australia has more open desert to cross between urban centers than any other industrialized nation.
  • Full-size pickups are extremely popular in North America to the point that the Ford F Series is one of the fastest selling vehicles in the world despite having a relatively small market area. This is mainly due to the area's comparatively low gas prices and a lack of engine and body-related taxes which keep these vehicles competitive.
  • The Three Stooges are very popular and famous in the United States, but in other countries they are almost obscure. In Europe, their rivals Laurel & Hardy are far more popular in comparison.
  • The same goes for films like The Wizard of Oz, It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World, It's a Wonderful Life, and How the Grinch Stole Christmas! which are hugely popular and often repeated classics on American television, but haven't reached the same popularity or fame outside the U.S.
  • Grand Funk Railroad failed to gain much of a fandom outside of the USA. Granted, they were an American band...
  • Country music outside of Middle America. New York City, for example, does not have any country stations on the FM dial, despite it being the largest radio market in America and country being, by some measures, the most popular genre of music in America. In the Northeast, being a fan of country music carries many of the same connotations as being a fan of NASCAR — unless it's a hip alternative country band or a crossover pop artist, admitting to being a country fan will most likely get you called a redneck, a hillbilly, or some variation thereof. Outside America, the only places that can be said to have significant country fandoms are Ireland (for whatever reason), Africa (possibly due to the popularity of the banjo), Brazil (a mishmash of American and local subculture, including rodeo acts), Canada and Australia (both of which have frontier histories and large rural areas not unlike those found in America).
  • And similar to baseball - cricket, popular in the UK and many former parts of the British empire (not the USA or Canada), especially India and Sri Lanka: cricket is waaaaaaaaaay more popular than any other sport on the subcontinent, even more so than the country's official national sport, hockey (Addendum for those who're scratching their heads: ground hockey, not the ice version). Cricket stars get near-god-like celebrity status, on par with movie stars and singers. Almost anywhere else though..... cricket's considered a quaint odd sport at best, and Calvinball with shin pads by most.
Some other things only compare two markets, so whether either trope applies is uncertain (and grunge must have had some popularity in Britain to provoke such a backlash in the first place). And the Sports section is just a mess, for reasons already stated.
10:54:53 AM Jul 4th 2011
The Country Music one is essentially this trope, since it's unpopular in most of America.
06:24:38 PM Jan 31st 2011
I just performed a general cleanup of Natter, bad grammar, example formatting, and non-examples. The following examples were listed without reason, which is not allowed by the trope description. If you know the reason why any of the following were listed, please re-add them with the explanation.
  • Light Yagami from Death Note in Italy
  • The studnet council from Fruits Basket in Japan
  • Korea from Axis Powers Hetalia in Korea
  • Yubel from Yu-Gi-Oh GX amongst English fanbase
  • Rick Hunter/Hikaru Ichijyo from Robotech in the USA.
  • Superhero comics outside of the Anglosphere
  • Francophone comics inside of the Anglosphere
  • Big front-wheel-drive sedans everywhere outside of North America and France, as well as said French sedans in North America and said North American sedans in France.
  • The original Star Wars in Scandanavian countries
  • Grand Funk Railroad outside of the USA
  • Bryan Danielson in Mexico
  • "Shock Jocks" in Victoria, Australia, with John Laws being of particular note given that his show is broadcast all over the country ecept Victoria
  • Baseball: massively popular throughout North America, the Caribbean (including the mainland areas around it, e.g. Central America and Venezuela) and Eastern Asia (Japan, Korea, Taiwan, China). Throughout Europe (with the notable exceptions of the Netherlands and Italy), the rest of Latin America and Western Asia, however, it's barely a blip on the cultural radar.
  • Basketball in the UK
  • Formula One in the US
  • Blanka from Street Fighter in Brazil
  • Krystal in Star Fox Adventures in Japan
  • Kiddy Kong from Donkey Kong Country in Mexico
  • The Dynasty Warriors series in the US and the UK
  • Kazoku Keikaku in the US
  • The Half-Life series on Pixiv and Danbooru
  • Jon Talbain from Darkstalkers in Japan

Additionally, the Grunge entry could use an explanation for why it was hated in Britain. I did not delete that example, since it it was important to the explanation why Britpop failed in North America, but it technically shouldn't be on the page without an explanation of its own.

Also, someone needs to clean up the Football section—I didn't have time for that one, considering how long it is.
06:33:08 PM Jan 31st 2011
Sorry about the football thing, since I contributed to that a little. It's a more complicated issue than people give it credit for, but that's no excuse.
09:18:04 PM Nov 23rd 2010
Does Halo really need to be listed? Being hated by fanboys of a rival console hardly fits the description, and really, any major exclusive video game franchise can be described the same exact way.
06:21:09 PM Nov 24th 2010
You're right; the Halo entry is a non example for the simple reason that it has absolutely nothing to do with country lines.
04:29:55 PM Dec 8th 2010
It's gone.
05:02:40 PM Nov 21st 2010
Is it just me or are more than half the examples 'things that Americans hate, that come from Japan'? I've looked through the article, and I think if you exclude the parts about Football and 'American Football' (Which is sort of a dead give away anyway), there about 10 entries that don't involve either the U.S.A. or Japan. Surely other countries have just as much accumulated bile on foreign media, right? I mean, Engl gets more search hits as 'the English Language' than 'England the Country' (and half of those are from APH), even though the English are the self-confessed kings of petty spite in the UK if not the world. Where on this page are their grievances?
05:58:35 AM Aug 6th 2012
I would like to see more of the reverse, but that is just me.
04:22:37 PM Oct 15th 2010
Is this article going to be permanently locked? I was actually thinking about doing editing it to condense some bullet points together before I saw the Locked Page button. I saw the food Edit War that happened in the and it was ugly, but I've seen even uglier edit wars on other pages that nonetheless weren't locked, and it's been more than two months since the last shown edit.

If there's a real chance that the Edit War could reignite, though, go ahead and keep the article locked. I know I'm not the kind of person who should be dealing with stuff like this.
05:21:38 AM Dec 3rd 2010
All locked articles are permanently locked.
09:45:28 AM Oct 12th 2010
Does this really have to be YMMV? I mean it's an opinion, sure, but we're talking about the majority of the fanbase, here. That'd be like listing Designated Hero or Downer Ending down as one. It's only considered a Downer Ending because the majority of the fanbase thinks so. There could very well be those out there who think that a Downer Ending is a Bittersweet Ending. I'm not upset, or anything, I just want to know the qualification process for what constitutes a Your Mileage May Vary trope.
05:14:40 PM Oct 15th 2010
IMHO, this trope is listed as a YMMV/subjective trope for the same reasons that Fan-Preferred Couple is - it's based mainly on fandom opinion, something you can't measure as easily as other factors since fandoms tend to be so vast and unpleasable. It can also be hard to tell if complaints or hate in a fandom are actually typical of a majority of the fandom or just a really Vocal Minority that drowns out out the Silent Majority. (I can testify for this.)

Other tropes, like the ones you mentioned, might rely partially on subjective opinion too but have more objective guidelines that don't require extensive scrutiny of other people's opinions to determine if an example fits them. One good example is Shallow Love Interest; there'll definitely be some subjectivity in the examples, but the "If you asked yourself "What would this character's personality be like if they'd never met the protagonist?" and there's no real answer, they're a Shallow Love Interest" makes for a good thumb-of-rule to keep the subjectivity in check. Americans Hate Tingle doesn't really have a guideline like that.
03:52:24 PM Oct 4th 2010
Garth Ennis is the poster child for the UK's dislike of superhero comics. Anyone other than Superman can expect to be beaten, raped, humiliated, raped, made to look like an immoral, idiotic, unlovable asshole, then raped once more for good measure.
12:41:26 PM Sep 22nd 2010
I think Shawn Michaels should be added here. Though incredibly popular in the U.S., he's always been hated in Canada. I saw his rematch against Triple H and Chris Benoit in Edmonton, good god. I never see guys get booed this badly.
09:28:05 PM Sep 19th 2010
edited by fawn
That SSBB page image is awesome, does any one know where it came from? Or who drew it?

Edit: Never mind, I found it. It's here if anyone else was wondering the same thing:
07:27:09 PM Sep 12th 2010
Regarding country music: Country music also has a reasonably large following in South East Asia. Country musicians like Lobo go unheard of in the US but has sellout concerts in the region.
09:23:41 AM Oct 1st 2010
Lobo was popular in the early '70s in the US, but faded from view here. Definitely one for Germans Love David Hasselhoff if he's not there already. I'm surprised he's considered country now, unless his style has changed over the years. I always considered him more folk-pop—the style that radio programmers called "adult contemporary" in the '70s. Then again, many other artists in that niche eventually went country.
03:05:25 PM Sep 9th 2010
edited by karstovich
It might be useful to note in the Dynasty Warriors entry that part of the reason that it hasn't caught on in the US is that most Americans (and, for that matter most people outside the Sinosphere) have never even heard of the Romance of the Three Kingdoms, on which Dynasty Warriors is based.
12:38:36 PM Aug 29th 2010
edited by Kerrah
On Tidus from Final Fantasy X: When I originally added him on the page, I noted that he's not actually wangsty, but James Arnold Taylor's English-language vocal performance makes him seem so (the character has a reputation for being a whiner in the west, when really his dialogue is mostly well-adjusted without the dub). Since then, someone removed that remark and after that, another someone added his perceived whining as one of the reasons for why this trope applies to Tidus.

To get to the point, Tidus is not whiny, so could an admin edit the example to a less biased form?
12:42:52 PM Aug 5th 2010
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Another example is Namco`s Tales of. series is Popular in Japan than in the United States.
12:27:08 PM Aug 29th 2010
edited by Nezumi
That's not much of an example. Better are the likes of Dragon Quest or SaGa. Dragon Quest is huge in Japan, but tends to get reactions varying from hatred to indifference in the US. SaGa is actually a pretty popular Square franchise in Japan, but tends to be openly loathed in the US — especially by professional reviewers, who tend to give it reviews slightly worse than they would give Cancer or AIDS.

Dragon Quest suffers because of No Export for You except for the early titles (and even 4 was rare enough that many people think it didn't come to the US until the DS version) and most people only being familiar with the first one, which was given away free to many NES owners, giving people a now-inaccurate view of the series as a plot-light grindfest... while SaGa is hated for being too open and providing too much freedom — this is not expected or desired in JRPGs by Western audiences, so is seen as being unfocused and plotless.
08:13:22 PM Aug 31st 2010
While on the topic of the Tales Series, it should be noted that since the Tales fandom has a lot of importers (because they have to), Tales of Destiny R's version of Kongman has become a largely well-received character, and is generally considered to be the manliest man of the francicse (ORE-SAMA CHAMPION DA!)

Better examples would be the blond-haired heroine and hero (Heroines?) Colette Brunel of Tales of Symphonia and Emil Castagnier from the sequel, who are hated by some American fans for largely the same reasons, while back in Japan, Colette has a truckload of adorable artworks at sites like Pixiv, while in the 5th Tales of Character Popularity Poll, Emil came in 12th (out of every character in every Tales game).
05:23:31 PM Jul 26th 2010
Can someone please clean up the Hummer example? I have no idea what's going on there.
03:16:05 AM Jul 20th 2010
I think most, way most of the examples miss the trope by a mile. Something is a great thing in one country but not so much outside of it is verry common but a totally different thing than "something is a big success almost everywhere (within a similar cultural area) but not in one or two assorted areas. This holds true especially for the food and music section. I can name dozens of German franchise companies without any success outside of Germany, but nobody knows about them. Something being successful in the US but not in Canada or successful in the UK but not in the US is *not* this trope. This trope would be "large hit everywhere in South East Asia but not in Laos" or "Stores everywhere in the Western Hemisphere but fails to introduce itself succesfully to the French market" or similar things.
07:48:52 PM Aug 22nd 2010
I agree with this completely, for this reason, a good chunk of the food section should be deleted.
06:37:48 AM Aug 27th 2010
It needs chopping very badly. I'll take a crack at it.

<Mod Voice> Anyone who tries to restore the section without discussion will be edit banned.
12:31:02 PM Aug 29th 2010
... So... what is with the guy who readded them claiming that removing them without discussion should be bannable, when there was discussion? I hate to see the page locked, but with that particular edit war going on, I suppose it was necessary.
05:10:22 PM Aug 29th 2010
edited by Kennel
What do you guys think about the sports section? Most of the examples seem to be "popular in 1-5 countries and nearly unknown outside those"

And soccer is quite bloated.
12:26:26 PM Jun 18th 2010
The whole description of the page was taken out (???) We need it restored...
07:51:23 AM Jun 12th 2010
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The Simpsons was a flop in Japan, despite airing enough episodes to skip over season 10's "Thirty Minutes Over Tokyo" because of objectionable content and Lisa's character appearing in Germans Love David Hasselhoff? What?
01:10:19 PM Jun 12th 2010
Also, the Simpsons appeared in a series of ads for Japanese soft drink C.C. Lemon in the 90s...
12:47:51 PM May 21st 2010
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Is it me, or does the BlazBlue example really, really sound like a mix of Complaining about People Not Liking the Show and Fan Myopia? From what I've seen, BlazBlue is just as popular, if not moreso, than Street Fighter IV. And even if that isn't the case, slamming Street Fighter IV every chance you get does not help your case, BlazBlue fans!
02:10:32 AM Jun 18th 2012
I was just going to post this here.

  • Speaking of Street Fighter... BlazBlue! 2D, check. Visual Novel story mode, check. Anime graphics, check. Released in the same year as Street Fighter IV, check. It's a new series compared to Street Fighter, check. 12 characters that control like 12 different fighting games combined into one, check. While Japaneses love it, Americans, mainly Street Fighter fans hate it because it looks like anime, something mainstream American audiences hate, or maybe just because it dares to compete with Street Fighter! Don't even mention Guilty Gear veterans, it doesn't help.

Seriously, would it kill the page editors to not type like they're hyperactive children? When you type an example, you're not holding a conversation, so comments like "Don't even mention" make you look borderline insane.
09:30:39 PM May 6th 2010
A large chunk of the food section was removed without discussion. Restore it now.
07:30:29 AM Mar 6th 2010
I love how Mario's quietly doing a Face Palm.
09:10:43 PM Apr 21st 2010
How is Blazblue similar to Tenjou Tenge? I've seen both but am not making connections...
03:44:27 PM Apr 27th 2010
I think they meant that Street Fighter was. I deleted it anyway, as it came off a little Fan Myopia-ish.
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