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Main A Nazi By Any Other Name Discussion
This one troper keeps trying to add in the Avatar baddies, and seems to have a very extreme/exaggerated hatred for them.
As bad as Quaritch and co. are, they definitely are not this trope, as would be clear from the description. They aren't used as a Nazi analogue- they're more like an analogue for American treatment of Native Americans/European behavior under Imperialism. If you aren't a Nazi analogue, you do not belong on this page.
The Sleeves Geara Zulu from Gundam Unicorn looks more like a Nazi heck all Zeon's are Nazi Based even The Flag
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Can you guys put Israel off it becuase the situation is more complex than you know it.Yes,Israel should try to treat the Palestianians better but you seem to ignore they have gone through a bunch of crap during the decades.Yes,they built a wall but what do you expect when Hamas is continually mounting strike after strike.No,Israel is not trying to wipe out the Palestians but are trying to still exist as a country.And yes they need to be called on for the bad stuff they do.But comparing them to the Nazis just trivalizes the situation.
You may find this profound:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I assert that the USA's pre-1942 Bellamy salute used in the USA for 50 years has NEVER been portrayed in TV or movies filmed post-1942, even thought the setting is pre-1942:
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And I propose this: The A Nazi By Any Other Name trope has made it impossible! ANY attempt to normalize this and say "no, this is not fascism, it's just the way the US did things" is a TEXTBOOK execution of A Nazi By Any Other Name, and the audience will interpret it as such and the characters are in foolish denial of the situation, which will probably cock up the way the movie's supposed to be watched and then confuse everyone.
Consider the paradox here: any attempt to explain "no, this is not a Nazi thing" will always be interpreted as "normalized fascism" subtext. No matter how you do it. Any way you try to write it and say "there is no subtext here" will only reinforce the audience's belief that there IS supposed to be a fascist subtext here.
Furthermore, it'd be difficult to work in an explanation of such an everyday thing without being anviliciously, insufferably didactic. This salute would raise no question in pre-1942 drama, so there's no explanation of why a character would talk about it. The actor would have to go Breaking The Fourth Wall and talk completely out-of-character to explain how it only became fascist in ~1940!
You'd have to set a plot in the ~1940 window where it was controversial, or in the short window in post-1942 where some people hadn't gotten the memo and still tried to Bellamy-salute the flag and someone explains how that's no longer cool.
That's hard to make "interesting" to viewers proportional to how much of a plot setup it would require to explain. So, essentially, the Bellamy salute has been forever wiped (actually, it's a Retcon of real-life history!) from fiction and even historical films/biopics, as an inadvertent consequence of the A Nazi By Any Other Name trope.
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And I propose this: The A Nazi By Any Other Name trope has made it impossible! ANY attempt to normalize this and say "no, this is not fascism, it's just the way the US did things" is a TEXTBOOK execution of A Nazi By Any Other Name, and the audience will interpret it as such and the characters are in foolish denial of the situation, which will probably cock up the way the movie's supposed to be watched and then confuse everyone.
Consider the paradox here: any attempt to explain "no, this is not a Nazi thing" will always be interpreted as "normalized fascism" subtext. No matter how you do it. Any way you try to write it and say "there is no subtext here" will only reinforce the audience's belief that there IS supposed to be a fascist subtext here.
Furthermore, it'd be difficult to work in an explanation of such an everyday thing without being anviliciously, insufferably didactic. This salute would raise no question in pre-1942 drama, so there's no explanation of why a character would talk about it. The actor would have to go Breaking The Fourth Wall and talk completely out-of-character to explain how it only became fascist in ~1940!
You'd have to set a plot in the ~1940 window where it was controversial, or in the short window in post-1942 where some people hadn't gotten the memo and still tried to Bellamy-salute the flag and someone explains how that's no longer cool.
That's hard to make "interesting" to viewers proportional to how much of a plot setup it would require to explain. So, essentially, the Bellamy salute has been forever wiped (actually, it's a Retcon of real-life history!) from fiction and even historical films/biopics, as an inadvertent consequence of the A Nazi By Any Other Name trope.