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Gorkamorka
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06:24:13 AM May 9th 2013
edited by 70.33.253.43
I was wondering if Taylor's lawyer, Calle, was a DC Comics Shout Out.

He's a lawyer scarred on one side of the face and his name reads like "Kal-El".
PsychoGecko
09:40:33 PM May 14th 2013
The comments figured he was Tony Montana.
Hyperstrike
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02:59:41 PM Apr 29th 2013
Genetics and trigger events (Nature versus nurture).

Okay, just got finished archive-binging.

We might have an erroneous or alternate interpretation here for:

Superpowerful Genetics: Played with — children and siblings of parahumans have trigger events more easily, but adopted children also have trigger events more easily.

Lamarck Was Right: the justification is a major part of the setting. The Superpowerful Genetics in The Verse do not actually work on genetics, but by being a Cosmic Plaything. To the point that adopted kids of supers have the same chance of developing powers that biological kids have.

The "adopted children" thing is primarily aimed at Panacea (the healer).

During my read, it's somewhat implied that first-gen heroes/villains who trigger are emotionally/psychologically screwed up in numerous ways. It's also implied, during interludes involving Panacea's, that these damaged individuals have also damaged their children (in subtle or over ways).

Brandish (Glory Girl's mother and Panacea's foster-mother) and her sister were abused as children. She didn't even particularly WANT children, but bowed to pressure from her husband. And VERY grudgingly adopted Panacea (as her sister couldn't handle another kid) after they took down Marquis (who reminded her of the person who'd abused her). So Panacea was more or less the "unwanted step-child".

While Flashbang (Brandish's husband) tried to give the girl attention and love, he (also) was dealing with psych issues (clinical depression) and would swing between full engagement and complete apathy.

It's also stated that second-gen (and possibly third-gen) parahumans who trigger tend to do so on events that aren't nearly as psyche-rending as first-gen.

On top of that, Panacea is a second-gen parahuman herself. So it's not as if she's just a "normal" who got adopted and suddenly pulled a superpower out of someplace dark and poopy-smelling.
Gorkamorka
12:29:57 AM Apr 30th 2013
No.

Sorry to ruin your nicely constructed post, but you missed the part where Legend is discussing about adopting a child and IIRC Alexandria points out that adopoted children have the same probability as natural ones to trigger.
Hyperstrike
09:31:47 AM May 12th 2013
Okay, I reread and figure I completely lost myself in the construction of the argument.

The issue with quoting "genetics" is that it's incorrect. While genetics probably has SOMETHING to do with the ability to contact a Passenger (and Cauldron is leveraging advanced medical tech to artificially establish a connection), the main determining effect in most natural parahumans tends to be psychological trauma.

RobinZimm
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08:02:47 AM Apr 22nd 2013
While I was cross-wicking the B's, I noticed this:

  • Book Ends: The first part of the story ends after the Endbringer attack with Taylor alone and estranged from her Dad, the Heroes, and the Undersiders, just before Taylor lays out her plan for the future.

The text really doesn't explain where either book end is — or, at least, the other book end.
throwaawy
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10:22:19 PM Apr 5th 2013
edited by throwaawy
so as of interlude 20, is parian a full-fledged member of the undersiders now or still only present as a neutral? in which case, her char entry should be moved over and something should be mentioned about her joining in the period just after echidna's attack / portal fight? / downfall of the prt what is this time period called? |D
Gorkamorka
04:13:40 PM Apr 6th 2013
edited by Gorkamorka
Might be better if we do not. Otherwise it's impossible to spoiler-tape over.

And it's called "fall"? As in both the season and setting things up for Taylor to became a Well Intentioned Extremist? (Not that she's there yet )
PsychoGecko
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12:53:46 AM Apr 3rd 2013
This might be a waste of time to ask.

Was wondering if my nice little speech about Chrysalis 20.5 might deserve to go in Heartwarming?

I'm loathe to bring it up, but some people seem to have liked it.
throwaawy
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09:27:48 AM Mar 27th 2013
is there a clear contender for an Ensemble Darkhorse? i know lisa is fairly popular, but iirc i've also seen lots of love for bitch and weld too
THEANT
09:10:00 PM Mar 27th 2013
I don't think Lisa counts as she is a main character and was always pretty popular. Bitch and Weld might work, as I don't think wildbow expected them to be so well loved. You have to mention why they are popular though. For Weld its because he is the most overtly honest/heroic character yet seen in the crapsack world that is the wormverse. For Bitch I'm not sure why she is so well liked for others. I like her because she is refreshingly blunt about things, makes a great straight man, and I enjoyed how she has grown as person thanks to Taylor's friendship.
Gorkamorka
01:57:03 AM Mar 28th 2013
IMO the only one that really qualify is Vista. She gets almost no screentime, since her interlude a lot of people cheer for her, and when Echidna got her there was multiple people asking what happened to her in every single chapter.

Another example, but not played straight, is Faultline's crew. IIRC a lot of people were asking for them to came back.
Wildbowpig
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09:24:17 PM Mar 26th 2013
Victor -> Power Parasite ?

He isn't. He doesn't steal powers, only knowledge/skills.

He couldn't take Taylor's ability, but he could take her running experience. He couldn't take Grue's darkness, but he could take a measure of his fighting ability.
throwaawy
09:26:21 AM Mar 27th 2013
edited by throwaawy
Ditto Fighter then? except the skills he steals remain with him instead of going away?

i'd suggest Power Copying except the trope itself implies 'powers'... maybe the old title of Mega Manning?
Gorkamorka
02:02:14 AM Mar 28th 2013
Uh, actually Power Parasite allows for skills as well as powers. It's just that the "powers" thing is more common. And IIRC the guy heavily degrades the original's skills, so it's not Mega Manning either (like for Grue).
throwaawy
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05:57:12 PM Mar 18th 2013
power classifications/ratings

i'm in the process of trawling the archives for any mention of power classes for the various chars. while i do that i'm slapping on powers that *seem* to me to be appropriate on the char page. please doublecheck my efforts and make any corrections

and while we're on the topic, where would 'telekinesis' fall under?
RobinZimm
07:39:08 PM Mar 18th 2013
Skidmark is categorized as a Shaker 2, but I could see some kinds of telekinesis having Blaster categorization as well — and Parian is categorized as a Master.
Gorkamorka
02:07:28 AM Mar 19th 2013
edited by Gorkamorka
Powers in Worm are not classified per source (like, say, in the Wheateley universe), but per effect. Taking it to rpg systems, hoping you're familiar with it, it wuould be the difference between D&D and the Hero system.

So telekinesis is not a classification in itself, what the guy with the telekinesis does with it mades it into the classification.

e.g.: if he blasts people from afar he's a blaster, if he makes himself super strong he's a striker, if he makes himself invulnerable he's a brute, if he flies he's a mover and so on.
PsychoGecko
12:25:41 PM Mar 20th 2013
You might look in Whatever Mancy. Might be just what you're looking for with the narrower applications of powers.
throwaawy
01:19:31 PM Mar 20th 2013
edited by throwaawy
i wonder if we could use a combination of the two as an actual trope.

  • Whatever Mancy - Some Powers in Worm fall under this, but their applications are as varied as the individual who wield them and are categorized as such.
    • Two capes might each have telekinesis. If one uses it to pick up parts of their environment and kludge it together into a golem they'd be a Master. If the other uses it to effectively pick up and throw themself around, they'd be a Mover.

...or whatever examples might make it more clear

edit: eh, no complaints, i'm putting it in
Gorkamorka
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02:29:53 PM Mar 18th 2013
edited by Gorkamorka
For the whole "villains not killing families" is't an aversion and a deconstruction of The Masquerade Will Kill Your Dating Life IMO. (yeah, it's u used for secret identities too, not only an actual masquerade) Thou Shalt Not Kill is way broader, but of course fits too.

A very small subset of the cast is Technical Pacifist too btw, with an ever smaller subset being Actual Pacifist (off the top of my head, I can name only Sundancer. Skitter seems too far gone down the slippery slope).
PsychoGecko
11:10:30 PM Mar 20th 2013
PsychoGecko
11:22:03 PM Mar 20th 2013
Ooh, I got another one that could do it. Maybe. Got the idea from Legion of Nothing.

Enforced Cold War might be able to work as far as escalating the conflict. Some higher power is involved to prevent the conflict from escalating, with the page itself using the Cold War as an example where the higher power was the fear of mutually assured destruction. Usually that means you can't attack the person directly, but it might work as far as bringing family into things. In this case, attacking a hero or villain's family is likely to lead to pretty bad consequences involving the Birdcage, escalation against heroes, or problems with the Truce.

throwaawy
12:55:40 AM Mar 21st 2013
i like the second one. evil has standards seems overused
Gorkamorka
05:06:02 PM Mar 21st 2013
BTW, I've looked up the Whateley Universe page (they have a similar "no involving family" rule), and they go with Even Evil Has Loved Ones
Gorkamorka
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12:33:08 PM Mar 17th 2013
edited by Gorkamorka
Umh... I'm trying to work out how to write something on the main page, but it always comes out as homophobic bashing. Help!

Thing is, the relationships between major characters we'be been shown "on screen" so far. (except for the TaylorxLisa and TaylorxRachel ofc)
  • Skitter and Grue: works somewhat
  • Dragon and Armsmaster: works somewhat, with less sex
  • Gallant and Vista: since he was an empath but not a lolicon he managed to say "no" in a way tat did not hurt her. repeatedly.
  • Gallant and Glory Girl: worked somewhat
  • Flechette and Parian: she is miserable because she's afraid of coming out and ruin the friendship, and it's affecting her personally and professionally
  • Panacea and Glory Girl: it's a very good reason to stay in the fucking closet and throw away the key

so... notice a trend?

I do get that Wildbow is not an homophobe, she does not writ as such, and apparently Legend has a stable relationship (offscreen). But her inability to write romantic stuff is leading to Unfortunate Implications.

Any idea how in hell to phrase all of the above in the tropes page? Or even the YMMV page?
RobinZimm
11:37:59 AM Mar 18th 2013
Wait, Dragon and Armsmaster have less sex?

In your position, I would probably put something like:

* UnfortunateImplications: There seem to be only three kinds of relationships we see playing out on-camera: heterosexual relationships that are working out well (Skitter and Grue, Dragon and Armsmaster, Gallant and Glory Girl -- even Night and Fog and Victor and Othala), one-sided heterosexual relationships which are disentangled gracefully (Vista and Gallant, Panacea and Gallant), or one-sided ''homosexual'' relationships that work out very badly indeed (Flechette in misery pining for Parian, Panacea warping Glory Girl body and mind).

but I honestly don't see it. Even leaving aside Danny and Annette Rose Hebert and leaving aside Kayden and Max Anders (and Triumph and Prism, for that matter), Legend and Arthur are obviously heartwarmingly sweet together, and all of this is a sample of less than a dozen relationships out of over a hundred characters, ninety percent of whom are severely damaged. And all of which is taking place in a town which has been a haven for homophobic white supremacists for decades.
RobinZimm
11:39:20 AM Mar 18th 2013
Oh, and it belongs on YMMV. Unfortunate Implications is a YMMV trope, and what you're pointing out is an example of it.
Gorkamorka
02:10:32 PM Mar 18th 2013
Yep, they have less sex :) she did not build everything yet, IIRC it's even mentioned in their interlude. I'm actually wondering if she can build herself all the relevant bits before Armsmaster ends up swapping out his relevant bits for some cybernetic enhancement that shoots laser blasts or something :P

For the trope itself: I know it's not intentional, but as you see Legend is the only one well off, and it's offscreen... dunno, I guess I'm over-thinking it. I do get peeved by the weirdest things sometimes, maybe that's one of them.

I'll shelve it for now. Maybe Parian and Flechette got together in the Time Skip, you never know :)
RobinZimm
02:21:19 PM Mar 18th 2013
Now I feel like I've talked you out of expressing your honest feelings. :/

And I hope Flechette is at least staying in touch. There's still a loose end with the armband to be resolved.
Gorkamorka
04:48:05 PM Mar 18th 2013
Nah, don't worry Robin Zimm, the page is for tropes and they have to be written clearly. Goes double for inflammable subjects.

Besides I did express my honest feelings in the discussion ;)
Gorkamorka
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11:32:57 AM Mar 16th 2013
aehm... from Promoted Fanboy page:

" ... sometimes the exact show—that they're a fan of. This can range from the minor, such as a Contest Winner Cameo, to the point where the fan has creative control and is Running The Asylum. "

Posting here first to avoid an editwar, the edit in question is:

  • Promoted Fanboy: The posters in Interlude 19 (Donation Bonus #2) (which consist mostly of a slice of an In Universe web forum), are thinly disguised versions of regular posters in the comments section of the serial. And depending on how much part of the medium itself you consider comments, and how much meta recursion you can take before your brain hurts, they could be considered Ascended Fanboys as well.

comments? I think it's the right trope for a number of reasons, but I'd be cool with Contest Winner Cameo too, even if there was not an official contest.
THEANT
01:12:42 PM Mar 16th 2013
It seems to fit with me. All of the regular posters got a shout out. I can't seem to identify which one is psycho gecko though.
Gorkamorka
01:44:26 PM Mar 16th 2013
edited by Gorkamorka
I posted because it got deleted for incorrectness. I usually go to discussion and wait for a few opinions before re-adding.

BTW, I thought Whackograve was PG, he's mentioned in the post about confirmed true/untrue brockton bay residents by white fairy. I wasn't able to identify almost anyone, except him, Hg (dead giveaway, (s)he got the same tagline too), Sveta and Charlotte. Yeah, I kinda suck at this :D

edit: to be more specific, psycho->whacko and psychopomp->grave, so his alt account is psychopsycho bu hey... it kinda fits :D
PsychoGecko
09:41:39 PM Mar 16th 2013
edited by PsychoGecko
According to Wildbow, I wasn't in the forums, not even as Procto the Unfortunate Tinker. A different alias that would have worked is Axolotl Xolotl.

Ascended Fanboy may not work except for Greg, depending on how the story goes. I almost suggested Charlotte, but there's no indication she was a fan of it all before being dragged into a life of horrendous supervillainy (feeding kids with great evil!)

I think we have to go with Promoted Fanboy for the forum stuff though. Just no contest for the Contest Winner Cameo
Gorkamorka
02:44:51 AM Mar 17th 2013
Ok, I'll re-add it then.

In Universe the most egregious example would be Genesis, but Taylor was somewhat a cape follower too IIRC.
RobinZimm
06:42:08 AM Mar 17th 2013
You forgot WagTheDog, who managed to wangle himself a minion spot with Bitch.

Anyway, I deleted "Promoted Fanboy" for two reasons:

First, I interpret the trope as involving fans having some degree of physical involvement — which could be as little as being an extra in the background of one scene of the film or as much as writing the film. None of us fans had that, as clearly demonstrated by the fact that Psycho Gecko wasn't represented. Instead, we were the subjects of Shout Outs ... as per Tuckerization, a trope which is present right now on the Characters page under "Parahumans Online" (although it might belong on the main page, now that you mention).

That being my second point: our cameos are already included under Tuckerization, and that is the better fit tropewise.
Gorkamorka
11:52:04 AM Mar 17th 2013
edited by Gorkamorka
I'm not really sure, the whole point in tuckerization is a generic shoutout. Promoted Fanboy instead is specifically a fanboy who gets some measure of recognition in the work. IIRC it's the sister trope made in contrast to Ascended Fanboy (which remains In Universe).

Point being, the only other trope that fits is Contest Winner Cameo , but that fits worse because, well, contest :P

And I left it on the main page because 1- I don't want to get into an edit war encroaching your addition 2- since it's mainly throwaway minor characters I liked it better as a generic.
RobinZimm
06:02:49 PM Mar 17th 2013
I don't think both of them should be included. If there is a consensus here that Promoted Fanboy is a better fit, I'll concede defeat, though.
PsychoGecko
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09:00:04 PM Mar 2nd 2013
Just to throw out another headache, how well are the various trope pages linked to Worm? It's a way that helps the readership, even if it's one hell of a thing to check.
Gorkamorka
03:57:12 PM Mar 4th 2013
fyi, if you click on "related" (the bottom right button at the top of the main page) you get a listing of which pages links to an article. Comes in really handy to check the wicks.
RobinZimm
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01:05:04 PM Feb 19th 2013
Okay, so I was just rereading 12.7, and I noticed this bit:

Mannequin turned his attention to his arm, and I set my swarm on it. A thousand threads of silk, each held by as many flying insects as I could grip it with, all carrying the arm aloft. I brought it up to the ceiling, and began fixing it in place, building a cocoon around it. My enemy turned his attention to me, his shoulders facing me square-on. As he no longer had a head, I found his body language doubly hard to read. Had I irritated him, doing that?

He stepped forward, as if to lunge, and the silk that wreathed him hampered his full range of movement. His leg didn’t move as far as he intended, and his missing arm displaced his sense of balance. He collapsed.

“Want to keep going?” I asked his fallen form, my heart in my throat. I stood ready to jump and react at a moment’s notice.

Slowly, he pulled himself to his feet again. Twice, he used the knife to slash at the silk. On the second attempt, I hit him with the formation of bugs for an eighth sweep of the silk net, hoping to throw him off-balance enough that he’d stab himself. No such luck.

Standing straight, Mannequin shifted his grip on his knife and then raised one finger. Wagged it left and right, that same gesture of disapproval, condemnation.

Then he turned to leave, striding for the door. I didn’t try to stop him. I didn’t have it in me.

So: Taylor's line. Definitely a One Liner. Bond One Liner, do you think, or something else?
Gorkamorka
01:49:43 PM Feb 19th 2013
A deconstruction of a One Liner I'd say. She seems cool and composed, thanks in part to The Faceless costume, but inside she's anything but. Good catch on that one.

Tropewise, the Bond One Liner is something you say just after you kill someone btw, so the part when she kills Coil does not count either, but it's a Pre Mortem One Liner.

That said, we should really put much of that stuff in the quotes section ya know, it's much more cool over there :) besides between Regent and Imp we have some really nice quotes.
RobinZimm
03:10:56 PM Feb 19th 2013
Ooh, another One Liner: when she's on the balcony with Armsmaster, she Ironic Echoes.

Perhaps I should give her a bullet on the Characters page.
PsychoGecko
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05:24:26 PM Feb 17th 2013
Not intending to be completely self-serving. I was just wondering if there's anything to the idea of making notes in WMG and Funny about the comments section of the website. As far as the Funny entry, I was just considering saying something about how it can also become this in contrast to the dark story.

Aside from selfish reasons, I feel the comments can build community at times.
THEANT
09:55:36 PM Feb 17th 2013
Hmmm, that is a good question actually. I never read the comments during my first readthrough but found your comments and others very funny so I reread the story with the comments and enjoyed it. But this is page about the Worm story, not the fanbase. Should we include maybe a meta moment of funny? Might be useful to take a quick poll to see if it is okay. My vision would be something like this: On a meta note, worm's fanbase can be a little "interesting" at times with comments ranging from amusing to hilarious.
PsychoGecko
02:54:27 PM Feb 18th 2013
Yeah, my main objection to it is that it wasn't the author's work or even some accepted fanfic.
Gorkamorka
04:05:03 PM Feb 18th 2013
edited by Gorkamorka
Usually you can and should add in stuff like what you propose. It's a web serial after all, and the comments and the community around it are part of it.

If the thing becomes too big we just have to rework the Web Original/Worm page or something like that.

Besides having part of the community writing an analysis on itself lets us have Word Of God on possible tropes. For example, say: What Do You Mean It Wasnt Made On Drugs on some of the more... ah... colorful comments? (any reference to any actual tropernote  is purely coincidental of course)
RobinZimm
01:03:30 PM Feb 19th 2013
This is just my first instinct, but how about separate sections on each page for tropes, Funny Moments, etc. in the comments?
Gorkamorka
02:26:41 PM Feb 19th 2013
That would work, and it would be easier to move the whole thing on another subsection if it becomes too unwieldy.

Thanks for getting volunteered RobinZimm ;D
RobinZimm
03:07:27 PM Feb 19th 2013
Unfortunately, I haven't been reading the comments.

...wait a second — is there a trope for those comedic "next episode preview" things with the deceptive cutting and so forth that some anime do? Does that fit?
Gorkamorka
04:12:15 PM Feb 19th 2013
for the previews, either Never Trust A Trailer or the (less appropriate because of thecnicalities) Bait And Switch Credits.

But dear RobinZimm, you should really go read them! Here, take this and enjoy! :)
PsychoGecko
04:31:50 PM Feb 23rd 2013
Go ahead, read the comments. On top of some people's accurate predictions and a mess of WMG, they also might make you laugh. They can especially help in some of the darker parts of the story.

As for the Preview thing, check Arrested Development's page for that kind of thing. They used to have "preview" scenes at the end of the episode that never occurred in the next episode, but were canon anyway.

Incidentally, I now have a whole new idea for funny comments. And yes, I appreciated those of mine that have been added. It's probably best if I don't add any of mine myself.

Heheh...veal.
Gorkamorka
02:34:25 PM Feb 25th 2013
Well, it's not like we don't want you to PG. Even if you can spell "eviscerate" but not "heroically".

But yeah, you have the context of your own head to find something funny that everyone else lacking it would maybe not. How about you link some stuff and let the Wiki Magic decide? Anything short or short-eable works better, bonus points for any back and forth between various people.

OOC (and definitelt OT), is any kind of registration or actual email address required to post on worm's comment section? So far I avoided because the only constructive thing I had to say proved out to be almost true and thus spoilery (I guessed the travelers were a group of people playing D&D together about right after Noelle was introduced on webcam), but I wanted to try and ask Wildbow for something specific. Since the unfolding of the story is so fluid maybe she can take the suggestion and actually implement it.

PsychoGecko
12:18:22 AM Feb 26th 2013
Unfortunately, there is no edit button on comments. My typos live forever. Unless you mean on here, in which case I'm just embarrassed. Probably spelled embarrassed wrong, in fact.

Nope, no registration required. I think it requires an email address, but only Wildbow would see it.

As for the context of my own head, I had an awesome time on that interlude where the Nine attacked the nursery. I just feel a little bad about imposing on Worm's T Vtropes page. I like it a lot too, but I'd rather let other people put me here (or over on the character pages...RIP Psycho Gecko entry) than engage in something that seems so egotistical and self-serving.
Gorkamorka
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03:02:45 AM Feb 15th 2013
I'm not really sure some of the tropes listed are appropriate and/or correctly defined. Anyone has any comment on those?

RobinZimm
04:09:37 AM Feb 15th 2013
PsychoGecko
05:20:13 PM Feb 17th 2013
edited by PsychoGecko
I think Panacea, Triumph, and possibly Flechette show some Character Development as well.
THEANT
09:42:33 PM Feb 17th 2013
I concede that I didn't really think through adding hates being touched and knight of Cerebus, and you make good points for removing them. But Alexandria is part of an organization that kidnaps people with a few personally kidnapped by her, removes their identities/memories of friends and families, treats them like animals, experiments on them, tortures them, gives them a good case of body horror, takes away the freewill of a few by brainwashing them to act as enforcers, and drops them off when they aren't useful anymore. This isn't even getting into creating villains, or wanting to let members of the 9 survive. Greater good my ass, she is evil/hypocritical bitch by letting this go on while still claiming to be a "hero". I think Character Development does fit because many of the minor characters are also changing but we just don't see it because they are minor characters. Look at how different the Wards are in the therapist's interlude to show what I mean.
Gorkamorka
07:19:00 AM Feb 18th 2013
edited by Gorkamorka
On the Character Development side: ok, this is somewhat difficult to convey, thanks mainly to Wildbow's writing prowess: most of the cast is absolutely monodimensional, but you do not really notice it. Mind you, it's ok to have such people in your work, as they're the basis of Characters As Device. The point it: to actually have Character Development, the character itself must be, at least somewhat, rounded out. Yes, the interludes seem to provide a small measure of that, but what they actually do is to hide the fact that the characters are devices. Personally I find this absolutely awesome and extremely well done, and it's one of the main reason I really like her work. However it has the side effect of meta-analysis obfuscation, and that's what we're doing here.

tl;dr = Imp is fucking with your perceptions of the story too :P

For Alexandria: IMO she's still at level III (or maybe IV depending on the reading) of the Sliding Scale Of Anti Heroes, while her actions are questionable she genuinely seem to care, so she cannot really be a Knight Templar or a Well Intentioned Extremist.

(edit: to put things into perspective you can compare her to another "hero" who's one step further on the sliding scale, but still manages to be at least somewhat heroic: Spawn )
PsychoGecko
02:58:25 PM Feb 18th 2013
Either way, we have a new meme. Imp is messing with the story.

And if so many changing Worm characters are monodimensional, we're going to need more dimensions before that to account for less well done examples.
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