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ChocolateRob
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02:52:44 PM Dec 10th 2013
edited by 86.157.133.103
oops, wrong page. How do I delete this box?
Discar
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03:51:10 PM Aug 14th 2013
We should probably get around to splitting this in preparation for the next book. You know, move book-specific tropes to Literature.The Way Of Kings and Literature.Words Of Radiance, keep general series tropes to Literature.The Stormlight Archive, that sort of thing.
NativeJovian
08:38:47 PM Aug 14th 2013
Yeah, I've thought about that before, but the problem is that until the next book comes out, we don't know what's book-specific and what's not, particularly in terms of characters and whatnot.

But still, we could make a split now and fix things as far as what-goes-where when book two comes out.
Discar
11:48:18 AM Aug 15th 2013
edited by 69.172.221.2
I think most of it will be obvious. For example, let's just go through the first ten tropes on the page:

Literature.The Stormlight Archive (series-wide tropes)

  • Abusive Precursors: The Knights Radiant, or at least everybody thinks so.
  • After the End: The culture of all the characters believes this is the kind of world they live in. To some degree they're right, but the first book is one long hint that things will get worse.
  • Alien Blood: Parshendi have orange blood that smells like mold.
  • Alien Sky: Roshar has three moons. The first, Salas, is small and casts a violet light; the second, Nomon, is large and has blue-white light; and the third, Mishim, is small and has green light.
  • Applied Phlebotinum: Stormlight.
  • Arc Number: Ten, a very important number in Vorinism, apparently the world's predominant religion. Also four and sixteen, though less so than in Sanderson's other works.

Literature.The Way Of Kings (book-specific tropes)

  • Abusive Parents: Shallan's father had a horrific temper. Fortunately, he had a soft spot for her, so she only saw it a few times, and he never hurt her. Unfortunately, her brothers were not so lucky. They're pretty screwed up because of it.
  • Action Girl:
    • Parshendi females, if Dalinar's hypothesis of their battle pairs actually being Battle Couples is right. Sanderson's readings from the second book confirm that yes, female Parshendi are warriors too—and not only that, but Eshonai, the parshendi shardbearer Dalinar fought, is a woman.
    • Jasnah might also be one, depending on how far her abilities go — she can certainly handle herself fine if she has to.
    • Although not one yet, Shallan might become one later since she has a shardblade.
  • Affably Evil: Taravingian. Also Kabsal probably qualifies.
  • Apocalyptic Log: Dalinar's visions. An Apocalyptic Log from God.

Literature.Words Of Radiance (book-specific tropes)

  • Abusive Parents: As a Shallan-centric book, we will undoubtedly get more detail on her father.

Just like that.
Lightflame
02:00:31 PM Aug 15th 2013
Why do we need a split? The page isn't particularly large compared to other pages, and stuff like The Wheel of Time has all of its tropes in the same list.

If anything is a spoiler for a specific book, just spoiler tag it with the name of the book. Or move it to the characters page.

Like so: (Everything from WOR is a joke.)

  • Big Bad: The Way of Kings has the villain of the series set up to be Odium, a shard of hatred who killed Roshar's god (Tanavast, bearer of the Shard of Honour) and is currently influencing the events on Roshar to create more war.
  • Came Back Wrong: In Words of Radiance, Kaladin attempts to make Dalinar happy by bringing Gavilar back as Robo-Gavilar. However, it is soon made apparent that Robo-Gavilar isn't Dalinar's beloved brother, but an evil bastard who kicks puppies and would make Straff Venture and Tonk Fah cry.
  • Patricide:
    • Part 5 of The Way of Kings reveals that Shallan killed her father. We find out why in Words of Radiance.
    • In Words of Radiance, Renarin's first attempt at using Regrowth causes Dalinar's heart to burst out of his chest and run off to try and become a real boy. This kills Dalinar.
  • Villainous Rescue: In Words of Radiance, when Shallan is cornered by the Shardmoose, she is saved by one of her foes, specifically Sadeas, who is trying to convince her to vote for him in the Presidential Election by rescuing her from danger.
Discar
02:08:33 PM Aug 15th 2013
It needs to be split for the same reason that films are split: Spoilers, ease of reading, etc. Most books aren't split because we don't really have a big literature fanbase on the wiki, but for a series of ten doorstoppers, splitting them is a very good idea.
Generality
09:30:47 AM Aug 16th 2013
Honestly, the Wheel of Time should be split up by book, too. But that's a bloody trope quagmire. It makes sense to split Stormlight to prevent the same problem, but it's probably prudent to wait until the second book is released.
Discar
10:15:38 AM Aug 16th 2013
The reason I brought it up before the second book is released is because then people will have already started adding lots of tropes for it to the page, and it will be more difficult to sort.
Discar
12:15:29 PM Sep 10th 2013
Well, sandboxed them up, with the tropes split and everything. The only problem right now is that Kings' description is kinda bad. Oh, and we need another image for the main page, since I moved the pic to Kings, but I couldn't find anything decent that would fit.

Sandbox.The Stormlight Archive, Sandbox.The Way Of Kings, and Sandbox.Words Of Radiance.
Discar
11:04:02 AM Sep 12th 2013
Bump. Anybody?
hobbitguy1420
12:35:57 PM Sep 12th 2013
Haven't had a chance to give an in-depth look, but they seem good to me.
NativeJovian
06:14:17 PM Sep 12th 2013
edited by 70.118.24.80
I made a few changes to Sandbox.The Stormlight Archive (mostly just changing the pagequote and putting the Arc Words entry from Sandbox.The Way Of Kings onto it, instead), and rewrote the description on Sandbox.The Way Of Kings. I, uh... might have gone a little overboard.
Discar
08:43:05 PM Sep 12th 2013
Eh, could stand to be shortened, but it's better than it was before. I certainly can't come up with something better.
Discar
05:49:54 PM Sep 14th 2013
So I'll swap those in if no one objects in the next couple days.
Discar
12:18:47 PM Sep 16th 2013
Swapped.
hobbitguy1420
01:21:02 PM Sep 16th 2013
edited by 199.61.25.254
Should The Stormlight Archive be made into a category, similar to how Discworld and The Dresden Files have categories into which the books fall? So, The Way Of Kings would become TheStormlightArchive/TheWayOfKings
NativeJovian
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06:14:10 AM Sep 17th 2012
Someone edited the pagequote, saying that the line didn't fit the potholed tropes.

"Life before death, strength before weakness, journey before destination."

Life before death == life is more important than death. ie, don't take life unless you have to. Given that the Knights Radiant were badasses, that's Martial Pacifist in a nutshell.

Strength before weakness == the strong have a duty to protect the weak. Pretty straightforward With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility.

Journey before destination == the inverse of "the ends justify the means". It's saying that how you do things is more important than what you do. That's Honor Before Reason.
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