Literature Newsflesh Discussion

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urielzet
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01:32:13 AM Jul 16th 2012
edited by urielzet
Hi! I'm one of the tropers who's been editing the Newsflesh page since Blackout came out; adding quotes, some other tropes, among other stuff. Since I know I'm not the only one editing the page (and I think there really should be more), I'd like to bring up some topics for discussion:

  • Frankly, if the Newsflesh page had its own trope page, I think the first trope would be Department of Redundancy Department. There are a few references that keep being repeated across different tropes - the setting of Newsflesh, Shaun's, um... condition in Deadline, among others. Is there a way to minimize these redundancies? I think in the case of the description of Shaun, maybe it can be pinned down to just one specific trope, or hopefully at least two, separated with a slash.

  • One of the most annoying parts of the Newsflesh page, for me, is the Parental Issues trope. Aside from the obvious Disappeared Dad, Missing Mom, and Parental Abandonment, most of it is just a very confusing mess of finding different ways to say the same thing - that Georgia and Shaun have a lot of unresolved conflicts with their parents. In addition, Blackout depicts a very enlightening resolution of sorts when Shaun returns to the Masons' house. However, the tropes which that part of the story may have touched on can't really seem to be worked into the current structure of the section. Maybe I just don't have a better grasp of the Parental Issues trope itself yet, but I think something really needs to change with this section of the page.

  • A minor one: I'm not sure that Dr. Thomas definitely used a gun to kill himself. As in the quote I added in the Driven to Suicide section, all he says is that "I am about to get blood all over the walls." Given that he was a doctor, I think he may have just used a scalpel to slit his wrists, among other creative ways of suicide a doctor may come up with. My point is that he never mentions having a gun in the first place, much less using it to off himself. Then again, as I said, this is just a minor issue.
Skylite
08:19:16 PM Jan 1st 2013
edited by 216.99.32.42
Hello, Skylite (formerly known as Paradisca Corbasi) here, originator and maintainer of the Newsflesh page.

  • Going to have to get back to you after looking over the page. I think the tropes I mentioned are all relevant and accurate to the stories in the series.
  • Can you elaborate on what you mean by confusing mess of ways to say the same thing? There are a number of tropes under Parental Issues, and again, they seem relevant and accurate to George and Shaun's stated narratives - some of which are overlapping and redundant, yes.
    • Follow in My Footsteps: The Masons did want their kids to be robot duplicates of themselves — they never counted on George and Shaun realizing they didn't love their adopted children and cleaving to each other.
      • The Athertons wanted Becks to be a good little Stepford Wife, and disowned her for deciding to be an Irwin.

  • Ate His Gun is accurate. Allow me to explain why.
    • The person in question does make the clever/sarcastic comment about getting blood all over the walls. While he was, in fact, a professional of the type you described, this is a Zombie Apocalypse universe. It would be the height of irresponsibility, given where he works, to not use one.
    • Lack of mentioning having a gun in this universe is because it has already been mentioned repeatedly (see Department of Redundancy Department) that if one works in any field wherein one may come into contact/conflict with the infected, one has to have weapons training and a weapon on hand in order to settle such conflict in a permenent manner. It's almost certainly considered bad manners to suicide in such a way as to leave anyone to have to clean up the mess (as implied by Georgia's thoughts on the subject, and the Masons' rule on how to handle being outnumbered in a mob and short on ammo). So if one suicides, if one doesn't want to be so inconsiderate as to leave an amplified animated corpse walking around, one suicides with a gun. So is it possible the person in question might've checked out without a gun? It's possible, yes. But the likelier answer is that there was a gun since Georgia II was a danger of amplification based on experiences with the previous experiments. Also, HGTLHBTS makes it clear that if a body bleeds out entirely it will not reanimate. So again, inconsiderate. One only leaves an animate corpse if one has donated oneself to research after one's legal death.

choir
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10:07:31 PM Oct 4th 2011
Removed the Shout Outs to Doctor Horrible and Super Chicken, as "That's not a good sound" is too vague to definitely be one, and the other was poorly explained. If the Super Chicken one is genuine, please explain it better.
ParadiscaCorbasi
10:29:21 PM Feb 6th 2012
edited by ParadiscaCorbasi
Knowing the author personally, I'd say the Doctor Horrible shout out was genuine based on the fact that "That's not a good sound" is a really awkward way to phrase something.

And "You knew the job was dangerous when you took it" was pretty much Super Chicken's Catch-Phrase. What sort of explanation would you like?

And putting them back since the author just tweeted they were legitimate Shout Outs.
ParadiscaCorbasi
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05:24:50 PM Jun 10th 2011
edited by ParadiscaCorbasi
Removed:

Our Ghosts Are Different: Okay, so in Deadline Georgia claims she isn't one. But please, explain how on earth someone who is supposed to come across as a Living Memory knows things that Shaun couldn't know? Not just the stuff he didn't notice in front of his face, actual things he had no way of knowing. There's something very funny about that...

Due to the fact that Georgia flat out tells Shaun herself that she's a figment of his imagination, brought on by stress and grief and that she doesn't know anything Shaun doesn't know and can't see anything he can't see. She knows everything he knows. He just doesn't realize he knows because his brain relegates stuff to her from his subconscious. Pages 349 and 350 (Nookbook edition).
Tox
06:02:38 PM Dec 30th 2011
If you don't mind some wild mass guessing in your discussion section, George is not a ghost. I'm not crazy, bear with me. It's already been demonstrated that reservoir conditions are the body's way of preparing to fight off KA and further, than Shaun is completely immune to KA. What if the circumstances surrounding George's death somehow led to "her" viral particles being incorporated in Shaun's body? If you accept that, and it's not a very difficult jump to make, it may not actually be a ghost situation at all; rather, a displaced consciousness.
ParadiscaCorbasi
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10:32:02 AM May 8th 2011
I'm considering un-tagging spoilers from FEED once DEADLINE comes out. Any objections/suggestions/polite concerns/constructive thoughts?
choir
10:49:12 PM May 21st 2011
I think the spoiler tags should stay, although considering it's a book about zombies, unhidden death spoilers should be expected...
ParadiscaCorbasi
09:00:20 PM May 26th 2011
Choir good point. I will add a disclaimer to that effect but leave the spoiler tags for first time readers. Thanks for the input.
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