08:53:20 AM Dec 28th 2015
Couldn't we specify that a Satan person, much less Lucifer, is only Christian (or derivative thereof)? It currently reads like the typical culturally entrenched Christian presumption that's ignorant of there being no Satan entity in ancient or modern Judaism or even ancient Hebrew polytheistic folk-religion. It misrepresents "the Bible" outside Christian versions. Judaic sources use the generic title Ha-Satan for any spiritually trying issue (for the Israelites). Also, the Lucifer version's specifically an odd case, being a failure of the King James version to translate a single usage of the Vulgate's Latin word luciferos in the 14th chapter of Isaiah giving a snarky eulogy for Nebuchadnezzar (II), explicitly referenced as "the king of Babylon" and a "man" who clearly was indicated as immanently mortal. The word was properly translated elsewhere in even the KJV, no less, even referring to "Jesus". Calling Lucifer merely "the Christian Lucifer" wouldn't be accurate, but some wording could indicate more specificity without explicitly mentioning the mistranslation+time=tradition problem, which I'd take as flamebait, which is why I am asking for input before doing here. Maybe just stick "Lucifer, of some Christian doctrines," at the start and specify "Christian Bible" and let any curious figure it out on their own? It does leave the conflation of Lucifer with Satan as being in the "Christian Bible", which most translations only have the Satan figure via the New Testament, not any Lucifer, but it's hard to specify further without actually addressing the issue.
12:36:26 PM Apr 20th 2013
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In a Real Life Religion (such as for this page): if a deity is associated with light (i.e. glowing, shining, the sun or related to the sun, etc.) and is a Jerkass, then that deity fits this trope. List that example. If you don't like the religion or the deity within a religion, this is not the place to vent. I am speaking generally for anyone who might have doubts when listing an example, including those who would like to complain about religions they do not believe in. If it's shown in the mythology (or in the case of religions that don't like the word "mythology": The Bible or "the lore") that that deity is "not good", then this trope applies. If modern day followers of the faith see that deity is "not good" despite their lore's portrayals of that deity as benevolent (which may happen if a mythology has been Hijacked by Jesus), then this trope applies. But if neither of those things are true, then this trope is basically "averted." If the "mythology" portrays that deity as evil, obviously it's not this trope... in case anyone wanted to know. If anyone wants to add to this or correct me on anything, please feel free. Also, should we add a "don't complain about religions you don't believe in" or something in the markup?