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shoboni
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04:00:12 PM Mar 29th 2013
edited by shoboni
I thumbed through a good chunk of The Freckled Finger, and I'm not sure it fits. It's by no means good, and does suffer from Dude Not Funny quite a bit, but other then that it just seems kinda "Meh".
JHM
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09:37:42 PM Mar 1st 2013
Was Boston and Shaun listed and then cut? I'm curious. That webcomic is infamous for its total incomprehensibility.
Aradials
08:43:01 AM Mar 24th 2013
Likewise, what happened to the entries about "Jack" and "US Angel Corps"?
thewatchfuleye
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05:34:05 PM Jan 11th 2013
I think that Jenffer´s Show fits perfectly into the list of horrible webcomics. Beside of the hideous artwork, the dialogues are very poorly written (And sometimes filled with grammar mistakes) in some of the most recent entries for this webcomic, the texts are literally unreadable due the confusing handwriting. It also suffers of a muddled narrative which made it very hard to understand what is going on most of the time.
Mo
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07:06:50 PM May 1st 2012
Should we add Shadbase or Grim Tales From Down Below to this page?
Videogamer07
09:54:08 PM May 1st 2012
I don't think Grim Tales is deserving of being put on this page. So Bad, It's Horrible is meant for the absolute worst things that very few (if any) people like; last time I checked (years ago), it has its fans.
Freezer
06:12:06 PM Nov 21st 2012
Other than the fact that it's fetish porn, what's so bad about Shadbase?
ABLb0y
02:23:11 PM Apr 4th 2013
This review should answer that question http://badwebcomics.wikidot.com/shaedbase
Mo
topic
07:06:50 PM May 1st 2012
Should we add Shadbase or Grim Tales From Down Below to this page?
molotov
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05:40:00 PM Feb 7th 2012
Should the Nice Guy webcomic be removed from the so bad it's horrible page for webcomics? I've given the comic a brief run through, and it doesn't seem that egregiously bad. Its content mostly consists of dry nerdy humor or scenes from everyday life. I can see how someone would dislike it; I personally think that it's a guilty pleasure or just the normal kind of subpar; it really doesn't stand out anywhere and it's forgettable and harmless compared to most other comics on the page. I vote in favor of removing the entry on the grounds that the entry seems more like complaining about something the troper doesn't like and that the comic itself is just okay to subpar rather than being gut wrenchingly attrocious.
Aradials
02:36:26 PM Nov 21st 2012
Agreed. I'll remove it later.

nuclearneo577
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04:48:22 PM Jun 25th 2011
I'm pretty sure the main page was cut by mistake.
KingClark
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03:58:15 PM Jun 11th 2011
Does Electric Retard qualify for this?
shoboni
04:46:19 PM Mar 29th 2013
I remember it's page saying it had fans dedicated enough that have their own fandom nickname, so probably not.
SoWeAteThem
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01:04:12 PM Apr 29th 2011
I'd like to defend Pastel Defender Heliotrope.
The writing is bizzarre, pacing might be off, it's nigh-incomprehensible...
...But Reitz is a competent artist with a knack for Scenery Porn, (At the top of [insert gender-specific pronoun] game, [said pronoun] is even capable of aping the works of Akiko-era Mark Crilley) it's emotionally moving at points (Albeit the wrong kind of emotion on occasions) ...even the scene described on the page was Actually Pretty Funny.
It's So Bad Its Good at worst.
Dentaku
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12:09:13 PM Jan 11th 2011
edited by Dentaku
Somehow I don't find Moon Over June all that horrible. Sure, it's totally nonsensical and the artist should really stop screwing up the character's faces all the time, but I had a few good laughs here and there. It's quite hard on men and women alike, especially lesbians, who are generally depicted as sex-addicted nut-jobs. Then again, I have had some encounters with such types, so it's not that unrealistic. I have to admit though that the author was really stretching things during the pregnancy arc—literally. And damn, why are they always eating in the kitchen naked? Don't they know that crumbs can wind up anywhere?
Drpepperfan
11:12:00 AM Jan 30th 2011
I agree. For example, R.K Millholland said it's one of his favourite webcomics at the moment. Surely that means it can't be an example of failing to appeal to any niche, if the creator of one of the most popular webcomics likes it.
Drpepperfan
01:22:31 PM Feb 23rd 2011
Oh, and Josh Lesnick. And a whole bunch of other people. Seriously, it doesn't belong here. Can we just remove it?
Drpepperfan
06:52:16 AM Mar 9th 2011
It's really more of a Your Milage May Vary, perhaps a Base B Reaker, but universally agreed to be horrible? God no. That's just dumb.
PulpoOscuro
01:45:04 PM Jan 11th 2012
edited by PulpoOscuro
For me, there was something very subtly disturbing about the art style on a fundamental level. I'm not entirely sure what it was, possibly the lips and skin tones, but I'm not sure. The art style didn't have any immediately disturbing (i.e. Smiledog) or immediately bad (i.e. Sonichu) qualities, it was just... subtly wrong.

OH GOD

AN ELDRITCH ABOMINATION IS ON THE INTERNET

AND IT TOOK THE FORM OF LESBIAN PORN
189.79.160.219
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08:29:13 PM Jan 8th 2011
I think a webcomic called "Las Lindas" fits perfectly into this. Copious amounts of anthro girls with massive breasts and fanservice, boring characters and lack of plot.
SomeNewGuy
06:34:22 AM Jan 9th 2011
errrr....no. It has a sizable fanbase, and is actually pretty good. :/
mrjeff
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05:08:41 PM Jan 5th 2011
Could someone elaborate further on why faithmore is horrible besides the reasons of being weird.
AnonymousMcCartneyfan
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07:57:33 PM Oct 2nd 2010
Note: Should The Other M be listed here, or under Fan Fic? Seeing as it's both.
Tyoria
10:18:56 AM Oct 28th 2010
I'm not sure that it should be listed at all. I'm not talking about my personal opinion, I'm talking about the fact that when it was announced that Ian would be joining the comic there was quite a bit of positive response largely based on the reception of Other-M. Not everyone loved it, some people hated it (obviously), but its fans were hardly a tiny minority. Why would it warrant an inclusion here? Strikes me as Opinion Myopia.
AnonymousMcCartneyfan
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05:09:55 PM Sep 3rd 2010
Note on the Gamer Chicks comic: the original summary suggested that the art was So Bad Its Good, which may have been related to the reviews of horror that got appended to it. I removed the comments and adjusted the description.
AnonymousMcCartneyfan
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09:35:49 PM Aug 8th 2010
Cut this and put it here for now. It can't be both So Bad Its Good and So Bad Its Horrible, it's been contested before, and if there are enough people who think it's So Bad Its Good...

  • Kit N Kay Boodle stars a large cast of animals having sex yiffing in public all the time in a creepily cartoonish Mary Suetopia. The listing at Author Tract is a good summary: "It is entirely a vehicle for Richard Katellis' views on free love, yiffing, and the plight of the furry community. The world outside of idyllic, nudist Yiffburg is full of monstrous dictatorships and ruthless capitalist states that criticize Yiffburg for being horny layabouts. Any character who doesn't constantly want sex with total strangers is either an evil fascist or a repressed soul, and the answer is invariably anonymous sex, either to defeat or convert them to the yiffy way of life." One character even looks like a giant penis  *. The strip might actually be tolerable if not for the fact that it's drawn in a cutesy, cartoonish style, turning any possible sexual content into extra-strength Fetish Retardant. All sorts of horridness abounds, including a Fantastic Drug which acts as both an aphrodisiac and contraceptive; immodest orgasms; Parental Incest; Rape As Redemption... and none of the Yiffburgians even bother to work because exporting the berries is enough to sustain their economy[[hottip:*:There's also some Unfortunate Implications about the way the Fantastic Drug works-it comes in two colors, indicating which sex is supposed to eat which berry. But the "bottoms" of gay male couples eat the berries meant for women. Um...
Samadhir
06:16:28 AM Aug 9th 2010
Why can't it be both? Opinions will differ and inevitably some will find it one or the other. From what I gather however, there are alot more people who consider it horrible than good. The fact that some people find it So Bad Its Good shouldn't exclude it from the list, since any webcomic, no matter how bad, will have at least a couple of fans.
SabreJustice
04:34:06 AM Aug 16th 2010
edited by SabreJustice
I'm the one who added that little line, and jeez, it was just a throwaway line. I've read a good deal of the comic and noted how it seems to take a lot of Furry Fandom habits and beliefs and make them look even more ridiculous, but there's no way I'd ever read it again. I felt like I'd been defiled and caught diabetes.

I felt like I was raped by a Care Bear.
triassicranger
09:50:14 AM Aug 22nd 2010
edited by triassicranger
So Bad Its Horrible is for works that have no fans whatsoever. Not simply because a large group of people find it "horrible". If something has some sort of following (regardless of whether they genuinely enjoy or because they find it So Bad Its Good) it can't be listed here.
MatthewTheRaven
09:53:49 AM Aug 22nd 2010
I know we say that, but really, everything can have an ironic fandom that finds it So Bad Its Good, so maybe we should just get rid of the entire category.
Crowley
03:12:40 PM Aug 31st 2010
As long as it isn't simply boring, I think anything can be So Bad Its Good if the viewer has a sufficiently dark sense of humor and pain tolerance. If the entirety of the readerbase consists of the few ironic readers who can stomach it (which Kit N Kay Boodle is very much so), said readerbase isn't enough to redeem something out of So Bad Its Horrible status.
SoWeAteThem
12:51:42 PM Apr 29th 2011
If it's liked, if accidentally, it can't be here can it?
I find it highly enjoyable, but for all the wrong reasons. Narm Charm, anybody?
If people are laughing, but for all the wrong reasons, bottom line is, they're still laughing.
Tack me on the list of contestors.
AnonymousMcCartneyfan
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07:12:50 PM Jul 12th 2010
Cut this and put it here. As abhorrent as it is, we cannot list it for the same reason we do not want to list Left Behind. There are fewer Neo-Nazis than fundamentalist pre-millenial-rapture Christians (we hope), but the principle is the same.

  • Billy The Heretic is widely acknowledged as the single worst webcomic on the internet. It is an allegedly autobiographical work about a young boy who was adopted by a "rich international Jewish" family. To say that it was full of Unfortunate Implications would indicate that the author was attempting to imply anything. He wasn't —it's all on the page. The artwork is spectacularly awful: there's not a shred of color anywhere, backgrounds are never anything beyond blank white stretches, and every character but the protagonist is a hideously drawn stereotype caricature. The protagonist is more grotesque than any of the others with his perfectly round nose and baffling ability to develop a Mickey Mouse snout every time he says something "clever". The Designated Villains are more sympathetic than the protagonist. There is no plot or characterization intended in this strip.... Imagine your average white supremacist arguments that "Jews deserved the Holocaust" and "All inner city blacks are subhuman criminals" presented as a comic strip. That's all it is - retarded white supremacist propaganda presented in comic strip format. Literally. The author is literally a Neo-Nazi.
EmperorSteele
07:21:04 PM Jul 12th 2010
Except that comic isn't bad just for its political content, but even when you talk about style, substance, pacing, and dialogue, it's still horrible. Left Behind is a PUBLISHED WORK, which means despite its controversial content, it's gone through Quality assurance, checking, and editing. Billy The Heretic? Not so much.

Perhaps you should have opened a discussion about removing that part instead of automatically doing so. Regardless, let's have the discussion now. Troopers: yay or nay on this?
Glowsquid
03:28:56 AM Jul 13th 2010
I don't think something should be removed because it has a "fanbase" through Preaching To The Choir. Should Battlefield Earth (the movie) be removed because it has a following among Scientologists?
AnonymousMcCartneyfan
09:07:39 PM Jul 15th 2010
Does it have a following among Scientologists?

Seriously, we have to be careful about ignoring the choir. We need to have an idea of how big a niche can be before we can stop ignoring it...

Left Behind is popular (at least in the manner intended) primarily among its choir. Those books got written and published so fast that the QA was primarily to make sure that everything was spelled right, grammatically passable, and doctrinally correct. (For instance, Slacktivist noted that the first book, at least, both spent more time on geographical matters than the average reader would want and got the geography wrong.) But its choir is big enough to make the series a bestseller!

The measures for webcomics are less concrete. You can't always tell clicks from Bile Fascination from clicks from genuine interest. So it does matter how big that fanbase is.
RhymeBeat
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02:01:31 PM Jun 27th 2010
Mentioning Sonichu while telling other tropers not to mention Sonichu is a Logic Bomb. I think we should stick to the policy we have on the Sonichu page itself. Mention the comic (to a reasonable degree) but not the author.
  • And no So Bad Its Good is when there's some entertainment value in the material that makes people want to watch it. The only reason to read Sonichu is Bile Fascination.
Inferno232
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12:50:43 PM Jun 10th 2010
Please add Sonichu again. The comic itself sucks. We don't have to go into detail about the creator if that avoids making certain people angry. I don't like Political Correctness when it's abused to far extremes, but whatever, I understand the thinking there. But the comic, all by its lonesome, definitely qualifies for this trope.
Russo1930
02:08:25 PM Jun 10th 2010
I put it back, with the added bullets that Sonichu has become to gays and women what Billy the Heretic is to Jews. It's more than just Chris's personal life, he himself has displayed fierce sexism and homophobia inside his comic, so it easily warrants an inclusion back in.
Glowsquid
02:45:59 PM Jun 10th 2010
Though the natter is horribly long and just complain about Chris's shit and whatever, the main entry gives enough reasons. The original entry - but only the original - should be restored.
Stepith
12:59:59 PM Jun 11th 2010
edited by Stepith
I also agree with bringing back the Sonichu entry as I was just reading Asperchu and then when I clicked back, it was gone

Edit: I read it under the So Bad Its Horrible Webcomics entry. Correction added
AnonymousMcCartneyfan
07:26:19 PM Jun 11th 2010
edited by AnonymousMcCartneyfan
No, don't restore Sonichu!!!

I was already suspicious of the work's place here when Sonichu got a Narm listing. Good works can be injured by Narm, and bad works can be leavened by it; but, since Narm is funny, it is a bright spot and a redemptive factor, and so most varieties of Horrible work can't have it.

But the kicker to me was the (continued) existence of a Fanfic Recommendations page for Sonichu, complete with fanfics. For someone to write a fanfic of a work, there must be something worth working with. Now, to the best of my knowledge, all important characters in Sonichu are either original in a cut&paste way or based on real people; that is, this is not a true Derivative Work. So, if there is something in there worth writing fanfic about, then there is something in there worth reading it for other than simple Bile Fascination. Ergo, it cannot be Horrible — just bad, possibly pushing So Bad Its Good.

ETA: I meant don't restore it to this page. I'm in favor of a page for it existing if the flames can be kept down.
Glowsquid
05:07:18 PM Jun 12th 2010
Except Sonichu "fan"work is all about making fun of Chris, torturing the characters or deconstructing the setting. This (NSFW) is what the typical Sonichu fic look like.
Russo1930
01:42:27 PM Jun 13th 2010
Restore Sonichu.

When your fanbase consists entirely of trolls, you are the definition of So Bad It's Horrible. There has been possilby one person who actually liked Sonichu, and Chris thought she was a troll. He deserves to have it.
Lime
09:43:54 PM Jun 18th 2010
edited by Lime
As the person who made the Fanfic Recommendations page for Sonichu, I believe that it deserves to be on this list. Ordinarily, yes, the existence of fanfic would mean that at least one person enjoys the work and/or thinks there is material to work off of, but this webcomic is... Different. From what I've seen, Sonichu fanworks tend to be in one of three groups, with the occasional overlap: deconstructions (Asperchu, Chris Gets Laid, Capering Berries), grim gorefests (Sonichu Finale, The Death of Sonichu, A Very Sonichu Adventure) or Refuge In Audacity comedy (Moon-Pals, Sonichu is Dead, Sonichu: The Animated Series)... Actually, the gore group seems to go will with the other two, the aforementioned Chris Gets Laid and Sonichu is Dead being examples. The only "honest" fanwork I can think of for Sonichu is the remake and the fan promo, and even then it's obvious that they've been done for the lulz (the latter especially, with the line "No Darkies, Jerkop!" and all).

TL;DR: Sonichu fanwork only exists to mock Chris and his creation.

(By the way, can't Bile Fascination apply even when the work isn't So Bad It's Good? With Sonichu, it's like a radioactive trainwreck: looking at it will melt your eyes out, but you can't not look at it.)

... Oh god, why am I arguing over a shitty webcomic drawn by a manchild? orz
AnonymousMcCartneyfan
08:33:26 PM Jun 20th 2010
Yeah, Bile Fascination does apply to Horrible works — else we would not have this index at all. We would be trying our hardest to pretend these works were never made if Bile Fascination didn't apply.

Sorry about that. <feels guilty>
Cannotrememberpasswords
04:23:03 PM Jun 27th 2010
I concur. Just because its writer is a loser surrounded by some sort of surprisingly interesting bile-fascinated cult doesn't mean that his comic doesn't suck ass. It's drawn using MARKERS, for the love of the FSM! MARKERS!
217.171.129.69
05:26:59 PM Jun 27th 2010
Indeed, the reasons to drop Sonichu's entry from this don't make sense to me. As of writing this there isn't a So Bad Its Good entry for Sonichu, and it genuinely is thought by most to be So Bad Its Horrible (hell, I think it's the Most Triumphant Example). As for it causing people to attack the creator as well as his creation, well we just edit out the former whenever it appears.

How about this compromise: just include a link to the Sonichu TV Tropes page from So Bad Its Horrible and add an instruction to not add anything else 'cos there's no need-it's all there in the page!
Samadhir
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09:32:14 AM Jun 9th 2010
Okay, seriously: why the hell was Kit'n'Kay Boodle removed from the list?! Can anyone give a good reason why the comic isn't So Bad Its Horrible? Yeah, I know that someone made an entry for it on the So Bad Its Good page, but it seems like one persons preference. I'm sure that there are people who find Shredded Moose and the Seltzerberg movies funny. If anything we should delete the entry on the So Bad Its Good page, if we cannot allow it to exist on both. Unless anyone objects, I'm gonna re-add it here and let people discuss whether its appropriate on the So Bad Its Good page.
Freezer
04:18:01 AM Jun 13th 2010
I've never been much of a fan of the idea that being on one page automatically precludes it from being on the other. Especially when it seems it's a small, but passionate minority on one side or the other. I have no problem with a notation that "Some find it So Bad Its Horrible / So Bad Its Good."
Samadhir
11:51:44 AM Jun 13th 2010
Yeah, that seems like a good idea. I mean, pretty much all entries will have someone who likes it, so if that precludes something from being on this list, the So Bad Its Horrible pages would be nearly empty. I, for instance, find Battlefield Earth to be So Bad Its Good, but I have no problem with it being listed here. Adding the suggested notation and allowing them to exist on both pages seems wise.
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